Bristol West

[greenchristian]

Apr 2, 2020 14:18:34 GMT @europeanlefty said:

Bristol also has a long history of liberal and non-conformist thought. Not only did its status as a port open it to trade and immigration from all over Europe, but John Wesley opened the first Methodist chapel in the city in 1739. In 1831, the people of Bristol rited in Queen's Square in protest at the House of Lords' rejection of the reform act at its second reading. In 1963, the Bristol Omnibus company was refusing to hire black or Asian bus crews and discrimination in many areas, including employment and housing, was sadly commonplace in the UK at the time. Led by youth worker Paul Stephenson and the West Indian Development Council, residents boycotted Bristol buses for four months. The boycott drew national attention and was endorsed by several prominent politicians including the High Commissioner of Trinidad and Tobago. The boycott was successful not only in persuading the company to drop it discriminatory policies but was also likely instrumental in passing the Race Relations acts of 1965 and 68. Little wonder then, with its history of liberalism, protest and progressivism that this city is such a stronghold for the left in UK politics.

Did you mean rioted?

[Delighted Of Tunbridge Wells]

Apr 7, 2020 13:52:21 GMT Devil Wincarnate said:

Oxford Parkway is stretching the definition, surely.  And the Thame part of Haddenham & Thame...

Oxford North or Kidlington would have been better for Ox Pkwy.Peartree already exists unfortunately. It's called Haddenham and Thame Parkway I think because Thame lost its own railway station on the line between Princes Risborough and Ox to Beeching's axe.

[Robert Waller]

2011 Census

Age 65+ 7.2% 643/650
One family household 42.3% 641/650
Owner-occupied 40.0% 618/650
Private rented 40.1% 2/650
Social rented 17.6% 276/650
White 74.5% 555/650
Black 11.4% 37/650
Asian 8.0% 154/650
No religion 42.2% 3/650
Managerial & professional 39.0%
Routine & Semi-routine 13.8%
Professional occupations 32.8% 3/650
Degree level 47.2% 20/650
No qualifications 10.2% 647/650
Students 24.3% 16/650


2021 Census

Owner occupied 41.9% 537/573
Private rented 42.4% 2/573
Social rented 15.7% 260/573
White 73.0%
Black 9.8%
Asian 8.7%
No religion 54.3% 10/650
Managerial & professional 40.5% 100/573
Routine & Semi-routine 12.5% 562/573
Degree level 53.8% 23/573
No qualifications 7.6% 573/573
Students 25.0% 9/537




General Election 2019: Bristol West

Candidate Votes % ±%

Labour Thangam Debbonaire 47,028 62.3 -3.6
Green Carla Denyer 18,809 24.9 +12.0
Conservative Suria Aujla 8,822 11.7 -2.1
Brexit Party Neil Hipkiss 869 1.2

Lab Majority 28,219 37.4 -14.7

Electorate 99,253

Turnout 75,528 76.1 -1.0

Labour hold

Swing 7.9 Lab to Green

[bjornhattan]

Apr 2, 2020 15:29:28 GMT greenhert said:

There was in fact a proposal at the Fifth Periodic Review to rename this seat Bristol Central to account for the specific boundary changes but the Boundary Commission turned the proposal down.

The initial proposals for the current boundary review have also renamed this seat (minus Easton and Lawrence Hill) to Bristol Central. It will be interesting to see if that change survives this time.

[pepperminttea]

Apr 2, 2020 14:18:34 GMT @europeanlefty said:

I finally get to do a safe Labour seat! Again, thoughts, edits, additions etc. welcome

Bristol West

This is the lefty-liberal seat to end all lefty-liberal seats. It is also, in my opinion, one of the worst named constituencies in the whole country, covering the centre and some areas of the east of a city with no distinct “western” area. Bristol Central would be a far more accurate name for the seat, although many would suggest, perhaps unkindly but not incorrectly, that “Hipster Central” would be even more accurate. This seat sits nestled in between the other Bristol, or in the local dialect, “Brizzle” seats and on the north bank of the Avon, which marked the historic boundary between Somerset and Gloucestershire.

When outsiders from other areas of Gloucestershire and Somerset say “Bristol”, this is the area they usually mean, covering Temple Meads station, Cabot Circus shopping mall, the city centre, the floating harbour, most of the university buildings and countless shops, museums and restaurants that draw people into the city from miles away. The seat also takes in some areas with a more suburban and more North Bristol feeling, including the communities of Montpellier and Bishopston to its north and Clifton to the west. Although the city’s position on the mouth of the river Avon allowed it to become a major port and industrial centre, this is probably the constituency that shows it least. Bristol was already a major shipbuilding and manufacturing hub by the 14th century, and by the Tudor era it was the country’s second most important port, trading with Ireland, Iceland and Gascony. In the 17th and 18th centuries overseas trade grew in importance and Bristol, along with Liverpool, became a major hub in the triangular Atlantic slave trade. In the nineteenth century, the railway came to Bristol thanks to engineer Isambard Kingdom Brunel who built the Great Western Railway linking the West Country to London. His Bristol-Built steamships, the SS Great Britain and Great Western, the former of which is now back in Bristol harbour and open to the public as a museum which is well worth a visit if you’re ever in the area, brought the New World much closer and helped increase Bristol’s importance as a port.

Bristol also has a long history of liberal and non-conformist thought. Not only did its status as a port open it to trade and immigration from all over Europe, but John Wesley opened the first Methodist chapel in the city in 1739. In 1831, the people of Bristol rited in Queen's Square in protest at the House of Lords' rejection of the reform act at its second reading. In 1963, the Bristol Omnibus company was refusing to hire black or Asian bus crews and discrimination in many areas, including employment and housing, was sadly commonplace in the UK at the time. Led by youth worker Paul Stephenson and the West Indian Development Council, residents boycotted Bristol buses for four months. The boycott drew national attention and was endorsed by several prominent politicians including the High Commissioner of Trinidad and Tobago. The boycott was successful not only in persuading the company to drop it discriminatory policies but was also likely instrumental in passing the Race Relations acts of 1965 and 68. Little wonder then, with its history of liberalism, protest and progressivism that this city is such a stronghold for the left in UK politics.

Bizarrely, this is not so much the case in this seat. It is, by quite some way, the least deprived of Bristol’s four constituencies and is one of the richest in the country, although there are large pockets of deprivation in and around Lawrence Hill. In Bristol’s industrial heyday, the grand and garden-rich townhouses of this seat were home to the managers and owners of the city’s industries and this seat was a safe Conservative one for most of its history. From its creation in 1885 to 1997 it elected only Conservative MPs. The Liberals were starting to close in on the Tories in the 80s and 90s and in 1992 the Tory majority shrunk to just 11.5% - their only narrower wins coming in the Liberal landslide year of 1906 and the Labour landslide of 1945. In 1997, Labour came from third to take the seat by 2.4% or 1,493 votes over the Conservatives and 7.2% or 4,517 votes over the LibDems. Labour held in 2001 with the LibDems leapfrogging the Tories into second. In 2005, the LibDems gained the seat on an 8.4% swing and held it in 2010, with the Tory vote declining in both cases.

Although boundary changes have helped the Labour Party, moving several Tory areas out of the seat and importing equally strongly Labour ones, this seat has also undergone major political and demographic change. This seat had never been immune to the social liberalism of the rest of the city, but by now the University were the largest employer in the seat and this had had two major effects. One is that the former grand houses of the area’s manager class were now mostly divided up and given over to student accommodation. Another is that the population in the city centre areas of the seat was now disproportionately working in sectors associated with academia and the university. The constituency also has an average age of 38 years, more than ten years younger than the national average. The liberal nature of this seat has not changed but now transitioned into a more overtly left-wing liberal one, and at 79.3% this seat had the second (or third, depending on whose analysis you read) highest remain vote of any constituency in the country in 2016. Even the very rich former Tory bastions of Clifton and Redland are now given over to the Greens at local level with Labour sweeping them at general elections. In 2015, this political shift showed itself in a big way as the LibDems lost nearly 30% on 2010, the Labour Party regained the seat with Thangam Debbonaire, and the Greens gained 23% to finish second, just 8.9% behind the Labour Party. In 2017, as left-wing and liberal voters lined up behind Labour nationwide, the party gained 30%, their largest gain at that year’s general election. In 2019, the LibDems stood aside allowing the Greens a free run at the seat. The swing against Labour was just 3.7%, well below the national average, and Debbonaire comfortably held on, winning 62.3% of the vote and a 37.4% majority. The Labour Party now carry every ward at general elections, although it is highly likely that the Greens do noticeably better in the old Tory strongholds like the Clifton and Redland wards where social and environmental issues are more important than economic ones, and where people and communities who are culturally Tory have made than transition to Labour politics, but not the transition to Labour votes.

Overall, Bristol West is an extremely liberal and left-wing city and this formerly safe Tory seat is now rock solid for the Labour Party. It will take the retirement of the incumbent MP for the Greens to be even remotely competitive in the seat, and even then, it may not be enough.

A good description but I wouldn't describe the denizens of this seat as 'liberal', their views on issues certainly are decidedly on the authoritarian side, free speech isn't exactly popular here for example. Liberal is a term that they reject too, the amount of posts I see from people from my uni days trashing liberalism and liberals... I would describe Bristol West as radical, socialist and non-conformist, certainly not liberal. The most ideologically 'liberal' areas of Bristol are the posh areas of North West. 

I also would in no way describe 'Bristol West' as one of the richest in the country. It's full of students (not known for their wealth) and young renters (who don't have a great deal of disposable income). Taking into account outgoings and cost of living, Bristol West is probably now one of the poorest in the South West, ergo the Tory collapse.

[Merseymike]

Think we are back to definitions of 'liberal' again.

[YL]

Jun 16, 2021 17:47:08 GMT Merseymike said:

Think we are back to definitions of 'liberal' again.

... and "authoritarian".

[pepperminttea]

Jun 16, 2021 17:47:08 GMT Merseymike said:

Think we are back to definitions of 'liberal' again.

Of course, if you are following the American usage of that term which uses it as a substitution for 'left of centre' then you Bristol West would be very liberal. However the attitudes of this constituency in the British sense of the word would not be accurately described as liberal.

The critical point though (putting my own biases aside) is that the typical person who lives in this seat doesn't see themselves as a liberal but instead as a socialist/radical (this was an area where Corbyn was genuinely loved for a reason) and thus those words are indisputably better descriptors of the constituency than 'liberal' regardless of how you choose to define that word. 

[Deleted]

Jun 16, 2021 19:40:37 GMT pepperminttea said:

Jun 16, 2021 17:47:08 GMT Merseymike said:

Think we are back to definitions of 'liberal' again.

Of course, if you are following the American usage of that term which uses it as a substitution for 'left of centre' then you Bristol West would be very liberal. However the attitudes of this constituency in the British sense of the word would not be accurately described as liberal.

The critical point though (putting my own biases aside) is that the typical person who lives in this seat doesn't see themselves as a liberal but instead as a socialist/radical (this was an area where Corbyn was genuinely loved for a reason) and thus those words are indisputably better descriptors of the constituency than 'liberal' regardless of how you choose to define that word. 

The definition of "Liberal" appears to have morphed into "someone wo believes the right to bully, harass and discriminate trumps the right to live free from bullying, harassment and discrimination". Using that definition then I suppose this isn't a very liberal seat.

Fortunately I was using the sane definition rather than one from the Gammons' Big Book of Why I Should Be Allowed To Incite Racial Hatred

[pepperminttea]

Jun 16, 2021 19:54:20 GMT @europeanlefty said:

Jun 16, 2021 19:40:37 GMT pepperminttea said:

Of course, if you are following the American usage of that term which uses it as a substitution for 'left of centre' then you Bristol West would be very liberal. However the attitudes of this constituency in the British sense of the word would not be accurately described as liberal.

The critical point though (putting my own biases aside) is that the typical person who lives in this seat doesn't see themselves as a liberal but instead as a socialist/radical (this was an area where Corbyn was genuinely loved for a reason) and thus those words are indisputably better descriptors of the constituency than 'liberal' regardless of how you choose to define that word. 

The definition of "Liberal" appears to have morphed into "someone wo believes the right to bully, harass and discriminate trumps the right to live free from bullying, harassment and discrimination". Using that definition then I suppose this isn't a very liberal seat.

Fortunately I was using the sane definition rather than one from the Gammons' Big Book of Why I Should Be Allowed To Incite Racial Hatred

No it hasn't. But to be a liberal you have to have a certain tolerance for alternative viewpoints and a belief in pluralism of opinion (and I'm not referring to extremist ones like you are insinuating), this seat is highly lacking in that regard. And trust me I've lived here the people would be highly offended if you called them a liberals anyway, that's not how they see themselves. As I've said socialist/radical/alternative are indisputably far better descriptors of this seat.

[YL]

This constituency is one of the most over-sized in the country, and so the Boundary Commission's proposals remove substantial areas. One area to be removed is the inner city wards of Easton and Lawrence Hill to the east of the city centre, which are transferred to Bristol East; the other is Bishopston & Ashley Down ward in the north-east of the constituency, which moves to Bristol North West. Although the removal of the area east of the city centre makes the existing name a little less inappropriate, the name is proposed to be changed to Bristol Central, as many of us think should have happened at the last review.

If anything, @europeanlefty's description as "Hipster Central" will become even more accurate, and the possibility that this might become the Green Party's second Westminster seat will become a little more plausible, though in the short term it still seems remote.

[Pete Whitehead]

2019 Notional Result - Bristol Central

Lab	30945	60.7%
Grn	12662	24.8%
Con	6828	13.4%
BxP	553	1.1%
Majority	18283	35.9%