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Post by timrollpickering on Oct 1, 2013 19:00:52 GMT
142 out of 150 have declared. Oddly the AEC's website shows Wills as having declared (re-elected Kelvin Thompson of the ALP) but also as 'not yet determined' vtr.aec.gov.au/HouseSeatsNotDetermined-17496-NAT.htm. Presumably this is because the two-party preferred result is Labor vs. Green Pretty much - the Labor-Liberal 2PP will need to be counted as well. Could lead to a court case and some interesting rulings on how elections are conducted. Palmer's lead up to 7. Whether or not he ends up in the House of Representatives, his two supporters will have the balance of power in the Senate. Are you sure? ALP/Greens only have 35 seats and one of those is in doubt. Palmer would need more to have the balance on his own. |
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Post by erlend on Oct 1, 2013 19:15:28 GMT
Looking at the numbers they would be strongly influential with 2. Given the mix of others includes the Sex and Motorists (but no longer the Sports) Parties 37/76 is a strong base.
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Post by marksenior on Oct 1, 2013 21:59:26 GMT
7 is Palmer's final margin BUT a full recount has now been ordered
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Post by erlend on Oct 1, 2013 22:09:32 GMT
Is there supposed to be a deadline for declarations? Less important for the Senate I suppose (bar the Territories who take office immediately) but doesn't Parliament start soon?
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 1, 2013 22:20:22 GMT
I don't think it's been fixed; it's up to the Governor-General to summon the new Parliament. The law requires that Parliament is summoned not later than 30 days after the last day for return of writs. The last day for return of writs is 100 calendar days after they were issued. The writs were issued at 6 PM on 5 August, so 100 days later is 13 November. Therefore Parliament has to be summoned before 13 December.
The new Senators take office on 1 July 2014.
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Post by Tony Otim on Oct 2, 2013 8:01:05 GMT
Looking at the numbers they would be strongly influential with 2. Given the mix of others includes the Sex and Motorists (but no longer the Sports) Parties 37/76 is a strong base. Does it not look like there are going to be 3 PUPs in the senate now anyway - Queensland, Tasmania and Western Australia? |
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Post by timrollpickering on Oct 2, 2013 15:10:28 GMT
Yes. Thanks to a very tight race between the Australian Christian (a breakaway from the Christian Democrats) and the Shooters & Fishers (IIRC a merger including a breakaway from the Fishing Party), the preference flow altered saving Labor's second seat from the Sports Party and instead the Greens lost their seat to Palmer.
The critical point was 14 votes. Lookout for a recount and possibly some court cases to thrash out some of the finer detail. ISTR some past state seats with razor edge results have gone to court and/or re-run elections.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 11, 2013 11:45:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2013 8:02:38 GMT
Bill Shorten is new ALP leader. He lost the members' ballot 60-40 but won 64% of the caucus (55 to 31).
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Post by erlend on Oct 13, 2013 9:06:56 GMT
That makes the disparity with the Millibands look minor. Although there were no union votes to muddy the water.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2013 10:57:50 GMT
Bill Shorten is new ALP leader. He lost the members' ballot 60-40 but won 64% of the caucus (55 to 31). Thats going to cause a lot of further division in the ALP. |
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Post by finsobruce on Oct 13, 2013 11:17:41 GMT
Bill Shorten is new ALP leader. He lost the members' ballot 60-40 but won 64% of the caucus (55 to 31). Thats going to cause a lot of further division in the ALP. Probably not that much more, as the ALP is divided by its very nature. Shorten, if he has any sense will try and change the structure, which would help Labor enormously. Whether he will do so is another matter. |
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Post by erlend on Oct 13, 2013 14:27:47 GMT
Bill Shorten is new ALP leader. He lost the members' ballot 60-40 but won 64% of the caucus (55 to 31). Thats going to cause a lot of further division in the ALP. The biggest problems seem to be in the caucus surely. They got who they wanted. If it had been the other way round (53:33 might have done it I guess) and a leader given who a solid majority opposed I think matters might have been about to become far worse. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Oct 13, 2013 15:53:02 GMT
It would be hard for things to get any worse than they have been recently. In terms of party unity this is probably the best outcome, but either way the process has been good for the ALP.
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Post by erlend on Oct 13, 2013 16:16:24 GMT
I suspect a period in opposition may well tell some of them what they have in common Rather than in government where it seemed very much about what divided them.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 16, 2013 8:32:26 GMT
In Fairfax, six out of 46 polling places have finalised the recount, and adjudicated on doubtful ballots. So far Palmer's lead has risen by 13 (so he now has a lead of 20).
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 17, 2013 10:54:13 GMT
11 out of 46 completed; Palmer leads by 32 (though showing as 39 on the AEC's site).
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Post by markgoodair on Oct 23, 2013 6:59:13 GMT
Former foreign minister, Bob Carr has resigned from the Senate.
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Post by erlend on Oct 23, 2013 10:10:19 GMT
How are Senate vacancies done? Recount?
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 23, 2013 10:28:05 GMT
Named by the State government, I think, but by custom picked from names suggested by the party of the former Senator. The procedure broke down in Queensland in 1975 which was one of the major factors leading up to the Governor-General's coup.
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