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Post by timrollpickering on Nov 15, 2019 1:14:25 GMT
Which constituencies so far don't have SOPNs online (or so badly linked to they can't be found)?
So far I've found the following gaps in London:
Holborn & St Pancras (not helped by Camden doing print outs then physically scanning them, making them immune to search engines)
Hornsey & Wood Green
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Tottenham - Haringey has set up a specific elections page that is so dire I am reluctant to inflict it on forum members
Otherwise everything seems to be there for here. Boos for Camden scanning a printout for Hampstead & Kilburn and Islington for just copying & pasting the information onto a genera website.
What's it like for other regions?
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Post by greenchristian on Nov 15, 2019 1:39:08 GMT
Only 6 missing for the West Midlands region. Worcester, East Staffordshire, and all four of the constituencies within Dudley council area.
In Eastern region, I've looked for four of the counties. There were a few missing for Essex, but none for Cambridgeshire, Norfolk, or Suffolk.
Peterl has compiled complete figures for the South West, so I assume none of them were missing there.
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Post by curiousliberal on Nov 15, 2019 2:32:07 GMT
It's probably for the best that we upload or link them all here to get a handle on the missing ones. The Bedford site has Bedford and NE Befordshire, but not SW Bedfordshire or Mid Bedfordshire. I also found nothing on Brentwood council's site, nothing for Maldon and Hertsmere, and nothing for Hornsey, Tottenham and Holborn.
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Nov 15, 2019 6:59:46 GMT
The muppets at Neath Port Talbot Council knocked off yesterday afternoon with links to 404s for both Neath and Aberavon.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 15, 2019 8:24:28 GMT
It's probably for the best that we upload or link them all here to get a handle on the missing ones. The Bedford site has Bedford and NE Befordshire, but not SW Bedfordshire or Mid Bedfordshire. I also found nothing on Brentwood council's site, nothing for Maldon and Hertsmere, and nothing for Hornsey, Tottenham and Holborn. SW Beds and Mid Beds are covered by Central Bedfordshire. Both SOPNs are up |
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Nov 15, 2019 9:23:44 GMT
The muppets at Neath Port Talbot Council knocked off yesterday afternoon with links to 404s for both Neath and Aberavon. Neath has now appeared but Aberavon is still pending. |
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Nov 15, 2019 9:25:30 GMT
The muppets at Neath Port Talbot Council knocked off yesterday afternoon with links to 404s for both Neath and Aberavon. Neath has now appeared but Aberavon is still pending. I've posted both. Rhondda Cynon Taf are now showing that their local government officers are even more useless than the ongoing Port Talbot takeover of Neath. |
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Post by John Chanin on Nov 15, 2019 9:51:28 GMT
Brentwood and Dudley both have form for this
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 15, 2019 9:56:47 GMT
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Post by timrollpickering on Nov 15, 2019 11:35:15 GMT
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Post by greenchristian on Nov 15, 2019 12:00:13 GMT
At least five nations/regions are now complete, then (Northern Ireland, East of England, London,South West, West Midlands).
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Post by David Ashforth on Nov 15, 2019 12:06:59 GMT
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Post by greenchristian on Nov 15, 2019 12:10:45 GMT
He's technically incorrect. Birmingham combined their 10 into a single PDF, and Sheffield put theirs on a single PDF as well. Handy spreadsheet, though. |
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Post by timrollpickering on Nov 15, 2019 12:22:26 GMT
Northern Ireland did the same.
Leeds went for the text on a website with drop down boxes and candidates' names that can't be C&Ped. Easily the most annoying I've seen so far.
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Post by David Ashforth on Nov 15, 2019 15:54:09 GMT
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Post by David Ashforth on Nov 15, 2019 15:56:09 GMT
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Post by November_Rain on Nov 15, 2019 16:30:58 GMT
Question here:
Some candidates on the SOPNs have more than 10 signatures? Can someone enlighten me on how this works why some have 20 or 30 please?
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Post by pl on Nov 15, 2019 16:38:30 GMT
Question here: Some candidates on the SOPNs have more than 10 signatures? Can someone enlighten me on how this works why some have 20 or 30 please? You only need to submit one form with a proposer, seconder and eight assentors. However, you can submit up to three. You often see three when you have a candidate trying to make something of the breadth of their support or buttering up lots of "local notables" by getting lots of them to sign forms. |
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Post by November_Rain on Nov 15, 2019 16:40:52 GMT
Question here: Some candidates on the SOPNs have more than 10 signatures? Can someone enlighten me on how this works why some have 20 or 30 please? You only need to submit one form with a proposer, seconder and eight assentors. However, you can submit up to three. You often see three when you have a candidate trying to make something of the breadth of their support or buttering up lots of "local notables" by getting lots of them to sign forms. Thank you pl for your answer. I've entered two local elections, and signed paperwork for our Labour candidate in 2015 and 2017 GEs but was always told it was one paper. I know our local MP did it 2015 and I think 2017...but not 2019  I guess those who submit more are trying to be "showy". |
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Post by timrollpickering on Nov 15, 2019 16:42:28 GMT
You are allowed to submit up to three sets of 10 "subscribers" (strictly broken down into one proposer, one seconder and eight assentors).
In theory if there's a problem with one of the sets then the other two cover you, though in practice this is less of a problem in the modern era of portable copies of the whole register that make it easier to check each signature on the spot, informal checks by election services before submission and mobile phones that make it easier to get the message about a problem.
Some parties and agents recommend submitting more than one set as a precaution against problems, but many agents prefer to shift the balance by taking the forms in early with one set and only going through the hassle of gathering/submitting extra sets if there's a problem with the first lot.
EDIT: I think the multiple option is only for Westminster elections. There's a LOT in election law that is a bit inconsistent between the various levels and this can cause confusion. Certainly I've never seen a multiple submission for local government.
Also I remember a tale of a candidate in one election who submitted nomination signatures in five figures. I don't know how many were accepted!
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I guess those who submit more are trying to be "showy".