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Post by YL on Nov 29, 2023 17:08:28 GMT
There are also final recommendations for Durham and Dudley and draft recommendations for Essex.
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Post by Adam Gray on Nov 30, 2023 1:09:59 GMT
Dudley is more like a spot the difference than a boundary review. With, of course, needlessly extended names for unaltered wards. Saying that, I do appreciate the unendurable suffering residents of "Wordsley South" have experienced all these years due to the lack of recognition of their neighbourhood in their ward's name.
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Post by carolus on Dec 3, 2023 23:03:51 GMT
As I've noted in the CGR thread, the LDBCW is currently conducting various Community Reviews. They appear to be very happy to adjust the UA ward boundaries to align with communities (or perhaps are required to?). So far there are draft proposals for Caerphilly and Vale of Glamorgan, with Ceredigion, Pembrokeshire and Swansea having begun as well. In Vale of Glamorgan, the proposed UA changes for the wards in Barry and Penarth are quite substantial, and include the addition of four new UA councillors, and two new wards.
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Post by YL on Dec 5, 2023 20:31:13 GMT
Some thoughts on Barnsley.
Penistone West is oversized on the forecast electorates. At the moment all of the actual Penistone built up area is in West; that could be maintained by moving the parish of Gunthwaite & Ingbirchworth to East, which gets both wards within 10%, but it would be a little out on a limb. Alternatively a bit of the urban area could be moved. Whichever, I would suggest then moving the parts of Tankersley parish in Pen East to Rockingham...
... which is also oversized on the forecast electorates (it's forecast to grow massively) but if it gains the rest of Tankersley that can be dealt with by moving Birdwell to undersized Worsbrough.
In the north, Royston ward could shed the bit of Carlton it currently contains (polling district QA) without becoming too small. I'd then suggest uniting Carlton in St Helen's ward (possibly renamed) by moving the bit currently in Monk Bretton there as well. That would allow the southern end of St Helen's to be removed...
... which would allow the undersized Old Town ward to be brought within range, though further modifications could be considered. (Does it make sense for both Old Town and Central to cross the Dearne?) The other undersized ward, Kingstone, could take some parts of Dodworth east of the M1. The Dodworth/Darton West boundary could also be tidied up a bit, though Dodworth does need some of that territory.
There's one more ward outside a 10% deviation on the forecast electorates: North East. It could lose Great Houghton to Darfield; Darfield could then lose a bit of territory to Wombwell. But North East is only just outside 10% and that would take it to 10% the other way, so perhaps it could just be left unchanged.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Dec 5, 2023 20:53:12 GMT
Some thoughts on Barnsley. Penistone West is oversized on the forecast electorates. At the moment all of the actual Penistone built up area is in West; that could be maintained by moving the parish of Gunthwaite & Ingbirchworth to East, which gets both wards within 10%, but it would be a little out on a limb. Alternatively a bit of the urban area could be moved. Whichever, I would suggest then moving the parts of Tankersley parish in Pen East to Rockingham... ... which is also oversized on the forecast electorates (it's forecast to grow massively) but if it gains the rest of Tankersley that can be dealt with by moving Birdwell to undersized Worsbrough. In the north, Royston ward could shed the bit of Carlton it currently contains (polling district QA) without becoming too small. I'd then suggest uniting Carlton in St Helen's ward (possibly renamed) by moving the bit currently in Monk Bretton there as well. That would allow the southern end of St Helen's to be removed... ... which would allow the undersized Old Town ward to be brought within range, though further modifications could be considered. (Does it make sense for both Old Town and Central to cross the Dearne?) The other undersized ward, Kingstone, could take some parts of Dodworth east of the M1. The Dodworth/Darton West boundary could also be tidied up a bit, though Dodworth does need some of that territory. There's one more ward outside a 10% deviation on the forecast electorates: North East. It could lose Great Houghton to Darfield; Darfield could then lose a bit of territory to Wombwell. But North East is only just outside 10% and that would take it to 10% the other way, so perhaps it could just be left unchanged. Is it less than 10.5%? If that's the case the LGBCE often round it to 10% and call that good enough.
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Post by YL on Dec 6, 2023 17:31:30 GMT
Some thoughts on Barnsley. Penistone West is oversized on the forecast electorates. At the moment all of the actual Penistone built up area is in West; that could be maintained by moving the parish of Gunthwaite & Ingbirchworth to East, which gets both wards within 10%, but it would be a little out on a limb. Alternatively a bit of the urban area could be moved. Whichever, I would suggest then moving the parts of Tankersley parish in Pen East to Rockingham... ... which is also oversized on the forecast electorates (it's forecast to grow massively) but if it gains the rest of Tankersley that can be dealt with by moving Birdwell to undersized Worsbrough. In the north, Royston ward could shed the bit of Carlton it currently contains (polling district QA) without becoming too small. I'd then suggest uniting Carlton in St Helen's ward (possibly renamed) by moving the bit currently in Monk Bretton there as well. That would allow the southern end of St Helen's to be removed... ... which would allow the undersized Old Town ward to be brought within range, though further modifications could be considered. (Does it make sense for both Old Town and Central to cross the Dearne?) The other undersized ward, Kingstone, could take some parts of Dodworth east of the M1. The Dodworth/Darton West boundary could also be tidied up a bit, though Dodworth does need some of that territory. There's one more ward outside a 10% deviation on the forecast electorates: North East. It could lose Great Houghton to Darfield; Darfield could then lose a bit of territory to Wombwell. But North East is only just outside 10% and that would take it to 10% the other way, so perhaps it could just be left unchanged. Is it less than 10.5%? If that's the case the LGBCE often round it to 10% and call that good enough. It rounds to +11%. The LGBCE has accepted this sort of deviation in some recent reviews if there's a good enough reason for it, but I'm not really convinced there is here. I guess we'll see what they come up with.
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Post by greenhert on Dec 6, 2023 20:31:26 GMT
Is there a geographical reason or a question of community ties to justify the greater deviation in this case? I do not think so.
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Post by YL on Dec 7, 2023 8:00:58 GMT
Is there a geographical reason or a question of community ties to justify the greater deviation in this case? I do not think so. I don't think so either, but if they are not drawing a hard line at 10% (or 10.5%) then they might question whether it is worth making a change which (on the forecast figures) moves the ward from +11% to -10% and which would require further adjustment to Darfield and Wombwell wards (at least). If I were the LGBCE I think I'd make the change, but I'm not the LGBCE. Of course there are other solutions which produce a lower deviation, but they would be more awkward. (You could move only part of Great Houghton into Darfield, or you could move part of Shafton into Cudworth. But those, especially the former, seem quite bad.)
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Post by lackeroftalent on Dec 7, 2023 20:30:24 GMT
LGBCE Derbyshire has an update yesterday of a map of the draft recommendation division boundaries[sic].
If I hover over the map I am invited to sign in ArcGIS online. Is this a LGBCE only thing or should I be able to view?
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Post by iainbhx on Dec 8, 2023 0:44:51 GMT
Dudley is more like a spot the difference than a boundary review. With, of course, needlessly extended names for unaltered wards. Saying that, I do appreciate the unendurable suffering residents of "Wordsley South" have experienced all these years due to the lack of recognition of their neighbourhood in their ward's name. Personally, I'd like to know which parts of Wordsley South are actually in Wordsley. When I was a lad, Polling District H01 was known as Ednam and Polling Districy H03 as Hawbush, H02 would just Brettell Lane or parts of the other two, Wordsley is north of the canal not south of it.
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Post by YL on Jan 18, 2024 18:27:41 GMT
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jan 19, 2024 18:56:25 GMT
I've written a submission agreeing with the Sefton LibDems about ward names.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 19, 2024 20:58:49 GMT
Oh well done
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Post by YL on Jan 19, 2024 21:09:38 GMT
I've written a submission agreeing with the Sefton LibDems about ward names. I can see references to the Lib Dems' suggestions in the report, but shouldn't their submission (and others') be linked from the main page?
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Post by YL on Jan 24, 2024 9:14:44 GMT
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Post by YL on Jan 24, 2024 9:27:04 GMT
Glossop North & Bamford!
(And why "Ethrow" rather than "Etherow"?)
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jan 24, 2024 10:49:52 GMT
Interesting that Thurrock is sticking with 49 councillors, given that they elect by thirds and the LGBCE's normal procedure then is to require uniform 3-member wards. That could mean quite extensive changes.
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Post by bluelabour on Jan 24, 2024 11:31:28 GMT
Why are the student wards in Newcastle so dramatically undersized? Jesmond North -25%, Jesmond South -20%, Monument -16%, Arthur's Hill -22%
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jan 24, 2024 11:46:15 GMT
Why are the student wards in Newcastle so dramatically undersized? Jesmond North -25%, Jesmond South -20%, Monument -16%, Arthur's Hill -22% They were all undersize when created at the last review, with the assumption that new developments would lead to their electorates rapidly growing. It's possible that hasn't happen. Looking at electorate figures, it may also be that the registers have been cleaned lately and this often reduces the electorate more in student wards, before it recovers slightly in the run-up to elections.
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Post by YL on Jan 24, 2024 17:22:45 GMT
Why are the student wards in Newcastle so dramatically undersized? Jesmond North -25%, Jesmond South -20%, Monument -16%, Arthur's Hill -22% Electorate numbers in student areas have been unstable for some time, at least since the introduction of Individual Electoral Registration. The two Jesmond wards in particular had significantly higher electorates for the Parliamentary review, where the enumeration date was just after a General Election and so the figures included people who had specifically registered for that; both were just under 7000 then whereas they're shown at around 5000 now. The effect is smaller for Monument and Arthur's Hill, both of which had quite low electorates for the Parliamentary review as well.
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