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Post by liverpoolliberal on Aug 29, 2019 22:35:19 GMT
changes dont look right. Labour were on 39% in May As ever, because Britain Elects does this, they are the changes from last time this particular seat in the ward was fought. I'm on ALDC duty tonight, and I thought it looked silly to do it like that, so I did it from 2019. |
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Post by Robert Waller on Aug 29, 2019 22:35:38 GMT
Also, remember that in May 2019 'Radcliffe First' were on the paper as Independents - see Andrew's Preview.
I think Labour are down about 4% since May 2019, Conservative down 1%, LD up 3%, RF up 5% compared with 'Independent'.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 29, 2019 22:36:52 GMT
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Post by agbutler on Aug 29, 2019 22:37:54 GMT
If those percentages are right, I have a feeling that the Labour total must have been 780 not 708. Nope, 708. |
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Post by liverpoolliberal on Aug 29, 2019 22:44:29 GMT
Damn it, my source at the count got the Lib Dem and UKIP numbers slightly wrong. |
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Post by andrew111 on Aug 29, 2019 22:46:15 GMT
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Post by andrew111 on Aug 29, 2019 22:48:42 GMT
Clearly the key thing is the 7% swing Tory to Lib Dem 🙄 |
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Post by peterl on Aug 29, 2019 22:48:44 GMT
Considering we are talking a council by election, that's rather a lot really. In fact, even if that includes staff time and renting polling stations as well it would be several times what I would expect. Must be the cost of electronic counting I guess, I'm sure English council by elections don't cost that much.
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Aug 29, 2019 22:53:02 GMT
Since the general election these wards have all elected Local Independents: Hucknall North on Ashfield (from Con), Sutton Junction and Harlow Wood on Ashfield (from Lab), Seaton on Hartlepool (from Ind), Kirkby de la Thorpe and South Kyme on North Kesteven (from Con), Skellingthorpe on North Kesteven (from Ind), Derby on West Lancashire (from Con), Sandhurst on Mansfield (from Lab), Whitecross on Herefordshire (HOLD) and tonight Radcliffe West on Bury (from Lab). Perhaps this is the answer that Parliament is looking for, the next election is Local Independents vs everyone else and elect a Parliament made up of 650 LOCAL MP's who know what their LOCAL communities want (whether that is a No Deal Brexit, a deal Brexit or no Brexit at all) |
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Post by johnloony on Aug 29, 2019 22:57:31 GMT
Considering we are talking a council by election, that's rather a lot really. In fact, even if that includes staff time and renting polling stations as well it would be several times what I would expect. Must be the cost of electronic counting I guess, I'm sure English council by elections don't cost that much. If I remember correctly, the Croydon (Fairfield ward) by-election in 2005 cost c.£17k. Electorate c.10k, turnout 2,700. Seven polling stations. |
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Post by andrewteale on Aug 29, 2019 23:02:55 GMT
Considering we are talking a council by election, that's rather a lot really. In fact, even if that includes staff time and renting polling stations as well it would be several times what I would expect. Must be the cost of electronic counting I guess, I'm sure English council by elections don't cost that much. East Kilbride Central North has an electorate of something like 12,000, which is about twice that of the average English ward, so the ballot printing costs will be correspondingly higher. |
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Post by Merseymike on Aug 29, 2019 23:22:34 GMT
The number of local non-party independents is certainly increasing.
I wonder whether this relates to the decline of actual power held by local authorities and that "politics" doesn't seem to have a great deal of connection with what they do?
So if it won't make a great deal of difference who you vote for in terms of provision, given financial constraints, an ultra localist approach may appear more logical
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Post by timmullen1 on Aug 30, 2019 0:01:44 GMT
The number of local non-party independents is certainly increasing. I wonder whether this relates to the decline of actual power held by local authorities and that "politics" doesn't seem to have a great deal of connection with what they do? So if it won't make a great deal of difference who you vote for in terms of provision, given financial constraints, an ultra localist approach may appear more logical If North Staffordshire is anything to go by it may also be that they are a repository for protest votes; even when the BNP had nine Stoke councillors they were corralled into three or four Wards, whilst the City Independents were winning all over the City, and UKIP only ever elected two councillors. On the flipside, Newcastle-u-Lyme which until recently didn’t have significant Independent groups did elect a number of UKIP councillors, particularly in that post 2010 period when Labour were still getting blamed for the recession, but equally the LDs were seen as “traitors” for propping up Cameron’s Tories. It may also be worth trying to break down how many of these independents have left mainstream parties; off the top of my head I’d say 80% of Stoke’s City Independents have been in one of the three main parties, and the number in ‘Castle isn’t much different. |
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Post by andrew111 on Aug 30, 2019 6:05:29 GMT
Considering we are talking a council by election, that's rather a lot really. In fact, even if that includes staff time and renting polling stations as well it would be several times what I would expect. Must be the cost of electronic counting I guess, I'm sure English council by elections don't cost that much. East Kilbride Central North has an electorate of something like 12,000, which is about twice that of the average English ward, so the ballot printing costs will be correspondingly higher. Considering i recently got 5000 full colour A4 folded leaflets printed and sent to me for £130, this should not be much of an issue. Ballot papers are a bit specialist (normally in a perforated book I think, but if total printing costs were over £1500 they were ripped off.. |
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Post by andrew111 on Aug 30, 2019 6:41:03 GMT
Considering we are talking a council by election, that's rather a lot really. In fact, even if that includes staff time and renting polling stations as well it would be several times what I would expect. Must be the cost of electronic counting I guess, I'm sure English council by elections don't cost that much. It looks like the cost was only for the counting and printing ballot papers and postal vote packs. Presumably to make sure the ballot papers go through the scanner and are registered by the software correctly. I expect the cost is not that much more for the whole authority election when they have one. The electronic counting saves a lot of time in an STV elecion but counting an AV by-election is not hard, so I would be looking at that. You dont even save much staff time since presumably the verification is still done by hand.. |
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Post by pl on Aug 30, 2019 8:38:14 GMT
Since the general election these wards have all elected Local Independents: Hucknall North on Ashfield (from Con), Sutton Junction and Harlow Wood on Ashfield (from Lab), Seaton on Hartlepool (from Ind), Kirkby de la Thorpe and South Kyme on North Kesteven (from Con), Skellingthorpe on North Kesteven (from Ind), Derby on West Lancashire (from Con), Sandhurst on Mansfield (from Lab), Whitecross on Herefordshire (HOLD) and tonight Radcliffe West on Bury (from Lab). Perhaps this is the answer that Parliament is looking for, the next election is Local Independents vs everyone else and elect a Parliament made up of 650 LOCAL MP's who know what their LOCAL communities want (whether that is a No Deal Brexit, a deal Brexit or no Brexit at all) I can’t think of anything worse than 650 independents - people who can’t play nicely in normal political parties. With totally untested views, with no whips to keep them to agreed policies. A parliament filled with such people would make the 2017 parliament look like a paragon of stability. |
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Post by Robert Waller on Aug 30, 2019 9:02:48 GMT
East Kilbride votes (from council website)
Grant Ferguson - Scottish National Party (SNP) - 1582
Graham William Fisher - Scottish Conservative and Unionist - 498
Antony Lee - Scottish Green Party - 153
David MacKay - UKIP - 48
Paul McGarry - Scottish Liberal Democrats - 422
Stephen McNamara - Scottish Libertarian Party - 12
Kirsty Williams - Scottish Labour Party - 690
These figures appear to confirm the % in Price of Dawn's post relaying Britain Elects above.
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Post by The Bishop on Aug 30, 2019 10:35:43 GMT
Since the general election these wards have all elected Local Independents: Hucknall North on Ashfield (from Con), Sutton Junction and Harlow Wood on Ashfield (from Lab), Seaton on Hartlepool (from Ind), Kirkby de la Thorpe and South Kyme on North Kesteven (from Con), Skellingthorpe on North Kesteven (from Ind), Derby on West Lancashire (from Con), Sandhurst on Mansfield (from Lab), Whitecross on Herefordshire (HOLD) and tonight Radcliffe West on Bury (from Lab). Perhaps this is the answer that Parliament is looking for, the next election is Local Independents vs everyone else and elect a Parliament made up of 650 LOCAL MP's who know what their LOCAL communities want (whether that is a No Deal Brexit, a deal Brexit or no Brexit at all) I can’t think of anything worse than 650 independents - people who can’t play nicely in normal political parties. With totally untested views, with no whips to keep them to agreed policies. A parliament filled with such people would make the 2017 parliament look like a paragon of stability. And the thing is, its a totally utopian fantasy anyway as 650 Independents would almost immediately start forming cliques/factions/groups..... Remind you of anything? |
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