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Post by stepney on Dec 18, 2012 17:23:32 GMT
Let's get this back to when men were men and some seats being twice at least seven times the size of others didn't mean a fuss.
Does anyone have the compositions of the 45 new seats created out of the 20 over-sized ones by the 'interim' boundary review in 1945? (Paging hullenedge, David Boothroyd, et al) The 1945 Times Guide is silent on these matters, though it devotes an entire chapter in 1950 to the 1948 review.
(Correction: just looking back over the 1945 Times Guide and noting the postage stamp seats in London versus the shire seats that just didn't tip 100,000 in 1939 though they did in 1945)
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Dec 18, 2012 17:26:08 GMT
It does seem to be an area where information (and mapping ) was often lacking, but as I now have Young's Guide to th Local Administrative units of England (Vol 1) i can fill any gaps in my knowledge (and yours). Do you have any specific seats you want to ask about as I don't especially fancy typing out the lot
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Dec 18, 2012 17:29:06 GMT
I've got the Boundary Commission Report (Cmd. 6634) if you're after any information from that.
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Post by stepney on Dec 18, 2012 17:34:02 GMT
I've got the Boundary Commission Report (Cmd. 6634) if you're after any information from that. Oh! Do you - could you - would you please, if it's not too much trouble, say, scan in the compositions of the 45 seats? Maybe put it up on here; I should greatly appreciate it. Many thanks. If of course you wanted to scan in the whole thing to Photobucket or something, a la hullenedge, that would be even better.  |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Dec 18, 2012 19:09:55 GMT
Middlesex:
Twickenham BC: This was coterminous with the then Twickenham MB which had since 1918 expanded to include the Hampton, Hampton Wick and Teddington UDs. These had previously been part of the Spelthorne CC.
Spelthorne CC: Lost those areas listed above and gained the Yiewsley UD from Uxbridge
Heston & Isleworth BC: This was coterminous with the MB of the same name and was entirely carved out of the previous Twickenham CC
Uxbridge CC: Comprise Uxbridge UD and Ruislip Northwood UD. Lost Yiewsley UD, Southall MB and Hayes & Harlington MB and Northolt
Southall BC: Comprised of Southall MB and Hayes & Harlington MB
Ealing West BC: Comprised the Ealing MB wards of Greenford N, Greenford S, Hanwell N, Hanwell S, Nortolt. All except the latter were previously in Harrow
Ealing East BC: Comprised the Ealing MB wards of Castlebar, Drayton, Grange, Grosvenor, Lammas, Manor, Mount Park. All previously in Ealing BC
Harrow West BC: Harrow MB wards of Harrow on the Hill & Greenhill, Harrow Weald (pt), Headstone, Pinner N, Pinner S, Roxeth, West Harrow (the last two named and the first were previously in Harrow CC, the remainder in hendon CC)
Harrow East BC: Harrow MB wards of Harrow Weald (pt), Kenton, Stanmore N, Stanmore S, Wealdstone N, Wealdstone S. Broadly speaking Wealdstone was previously in the Harrow CC, Stanmore was in Hendon CC, Kenton was divided between the two
Wembley North BC: The Wembley MB wards of Chalkhill, Fryent, Kenton, Preston, Roe Green and The Hyde, previously split between Harrow and Hendon CCs
Wembley South BC: The Wembley MB wards of Alperton, Central, Sudbury, Sudbury Court, Tokyngton, Wembley Park (all previously in Harrow CC)
Hendon North BC: The Hendon MB wards of Burnt Oak, Edgware, Mill Hill, West Hendon
Hendon South BC: The Hendon MB wards of Central Hendon, Child's Hill, Garden Suburb, Golders Green Park
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Dec 18, 2012 19:57:04 GMT
Essex:
Ilford North BC: The Ilford MB wards of Barkingside, North Hainault, South Hainault, Seven Kings
Ilford South BC: The Ilford MB wards of Clementswood, Cranbrook, Goodmayes, Loxford
Both the above created from a straight division of the previous Ilford BC
Romford BC: Romford MB
Hornchurch CC: Hornchurch UD
Dagenham BC: Dagenham MB
Barking BC: Barking MB
All the above created entirely from the previous Romford CC
Woodford BC: Chigwell UD, Wanstead & Woodford MB
Epping CC: Chingford UD/MB, Epping RD, Epping UD, Waltham Holy Cross UD
Both the above created entirely from the previous Epping CC
Thurrock CC: Thurrock UD
South East Essex CC: Benfleet UD, Billericay UD, Canvey Island UD, Rayleigh UD, pt. Southend on Sea CB
Both previously parts of SE Essex CC
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Post by Andrew_S on Dec 18, 2012 20:00:53 GMT
Were there absolutely no boundary changes between 1918 and 1935? I know there weren't any major ones but not whether any minor adjustments took place.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Dec 18, 2012 20:06:12 GMT
I believe there were not but I am open to correction
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Dec 18, 2012 20:12:34 GMT
There were none. Until 1944 the Boundary Commissions did not have any ongoing existence so there was no body making interim recommendations. This meant that a lot of boundaries had become detached between local government and Parliamentary elections by 1939.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Dec 18, 2012 20:14:42 GMT
Other South East
Barnet CC: Barnet UD, East Barnet UD, Elstree RD
St Albans CC: St Albans MB, St Albans RD (pt) Welwyn Garden City UD, Hatfield RD*
Both of these created fromt he previous St Albans CC
* My source does not reveal the location of Hatfield RD at this time. It was of course in St Albans up until 1945 and was certainly in Barnet from 1950-55 when it was removed to the new Hertford seat. My assumption is that it remained with St Albans from 1945-50 but I lok forward to clarification on this point (there are some omissions from my source - the same also omits to mention that St Albans MB formed part of the St Albans division at this time, but I think this was a rather safer assumption to make on my part
Eton & Slough CC: Eton RD, Eton UD, Slough MB
Wycombe CC: Hambledon RD, Marlow UD, Wycombe RD, Chipping Wycombe MB
Both entirely within the previous Wycombe CC except for parts of Wycome RD which were in Aylesbury CC
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Dec 18, 2012 20:20:59 GMT
Schedule 1 related to the Moseley Division of Birmingham. The electorate in 1939 was 109,059.
The Commission recommended it be divided into two. The Acock's Green division consisted of the Acock's Green and Hall Green wards of the County Borough of Birmingham (1939 electorate 50,364). The Moseley Division consisted of the part of the King's Norton ward in the previous Moseley Division, and the Moseley and King's Heath and Sparkhill wards. (1939 electorate 58,695).
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Dec 18, 2012 20:25:28 GMT
Schedule 2 covered the Borough of Blackpool (106,892) and the Fylde Division of Lancaster (88,162).
The commission created a divided Parliamentary Borough of Blackpool. The North Division consisting of the Alexandra, Bank Hey, Bispham, Brunswick, Claremont, Foxhall, Layton, Talbot, Tyldesley and Warbreck wards of the County Borough of Blackpool (61,064). The South Division consisting of the Marton, Stanley, Victoria and Waterloo wards of the County Borough of Blackpool, and the Municipal Borough of Lytham St. Annes (56,638).
A revised Fylde division of Lancaster removed the parts of the County Borough of Blackpool but added the part of the Rural District of Fylde in the previous Parliamentary Borough of Blackpool. (77,352)
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Dec 18, 2012 20:29:12 GMT
Schedule 3 covered the Wycombe and Aylesbury divisions of Bucks. Wycombe had an electorate of 102,197, Aylesbury 66,170.
The Commission created an Eton and Slough division of Bucks (the Municipal Borough of Slough, the Urban District of Eton, and the Rural District of Eton) electorate 61,949.
A revised Wycombe division consisted of the Municipal Borough of Chepping Wycombe, the Urban District of Marlow and the Rural District of Wycombe, electorate 48,825.
The Aylesbury Division lost the parts of the Municipal Borough of Chepping Wycombe and the Rural Districts of Eton and Wycombe, but gained the parts of the Urban District of Beaconsfield and the Rural District of Amersham which were previously in the Wycombe Division. It had an electorate of 57,593.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Dec 18, 2012 20:35:42 GMT
Schedule 4 covered the Altrincham and Knutsford Divisions of Chester, and the Newton and Stretford Divisions of Lancaster.
1939 Electorates were:
Altrincham 119,290
Knutsford 69,982
Newton 46,333
Stretford 81,112
The commission created an Altrincham and Sale Parliamentary Borough, consisting of the Municipal Boroughs of Altrincham and Sale (55,720).
A new Bucklow Division of Chester was to consist of the part of the County Borough of Manchester in the previous Altrincham Division, the Urban Districts of Bowdon, Cheadle and Gatley, Hale and Lymm, and the parts of the Rural District of Bucklow in the previous Altrincham, Newton and Stretford divisions. (62,825)
A revised Knutsford Division lost the part of the Urban District of Lymm, but gained the part of the Urban District of Wilmslow which had previously been in Altrincham. (71,228)
The Newton Division lost the parts of the Urban District of Lymm and the Rural District of Bucklow, but gained the parts of the Rural District of Warrington previously in Altrincham. (46,330)
The Stretford Division lost the part of the Rural District of Bucklow, but gained the parts of the Urban District of Irlam and Urmston which were previously in Altrincham. (81,114)
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Post by timrollpickering on Dec 18, 2012 20:37:05 GMT
Were there absolutely no boundary changes between 1918 and 1935? I know there weren't any major ones but not whether any minor adjustments took place. Northern Ireland was cut down from twenty-nine to twelve territorial seats in 1922 (plus Queen's University which was unchanged) but otherwise there were no changes. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Dec 18, 2012 20:45:04 GMT
Schedule 5 covered the Borough of Ilford (123,439) and five divisions of the County of Essex: Epping (107,162), Romford (207,101), South Eastern (108,383), Chelmsford (67,864), and Maldon (44,887).
The boundaries of the Municipal Borough of Ilford had not changed but it was divided into two. The North Division consisted of the Barkingside, North Hainault, South Hainault and Seven Kings Wards (61,359). The South Division consisted of the Clementswood, Cranbrook, Goodmayes, Loxford and Park Wards (62,080).
Four new single-member Parliamentary Boroughs were recommended.
1) Barking (consisting of the Municipal Borough of Barking) electorate 47,489.
2) Dagenham (consisting of the Municipal Borough of Dagenham) electorate 60,355.
3) Romford (consisting of the Municipal Borough of Romford) electorate 40,398.
4) Woodford (consisting of the Municipal Borough of Wanstead and Woodford, and the Urban District of Chigwell) electorate 59,107.
The revised Epping Division consisted of the Municipal Borough of Chingford, the Urban Districts of Epping and Waltham Holy Cross, and the Rural District of Epping. (48,055)
The Hornchurch Division consisted of the Urban District of Hornchurch (57,389).
The revised South Eastern Division consisted of the part of Southend-on-Sea County Borough in the previous South East Division, with the Urban Districts of Benfleet, Billericay, Canvey Island and Rayleigh, and the Rural District of Rochford. (66,098)
The Thurrock Division consisted of the Urban District of Thurrock (42,491).
The revised Chelmsford Division lost the part of the Urban District of Billericay, but gained the parts of the Urban District of Brentwood which were in Romford and South Eastern, and the part of the Rural District of Chelmsford previously in South Eastern. (69,128)
The revised Maldon division lost the part of the Rural District of Rochford which it had previously contained (which had no electors). (44,887)
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Dec 18, 2012 20:48:54 GMT
I was going to go on to describe the changes affecting Epsom and Mitcham (and the new seats of Carshalton & Sutton & Cheam), Chislehurst and Dartford (and the new seats of Bexley and Orpington) and the division of the Horsham & Shoreham CC. But I'll let David carry on  |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Dec 18, 2012 21:20:42 GMT
Schedule 6 covered five divisions of Hertford: St. Albans (102,990), Hemel Hempstead (50,780), Hertford (56,170), Hitchin (55,404) and Watford (79,228), and the Enfield Division of Middlesex (78,449).
The commissioners created a new Barnet division of Hertford consisting of the Urban Districts of Barnet and East Barnet, and the Rural District of Elstree (46,325).
The revised St Albans Division consisted of the Municipal Borough of St Albans, the Urban District of Welwyn Garden City, the Rural District of Hatfield, and the civil parishes of St. Michael Rural, St. Peter Rural, St. Stephen and Sandridge Rural in the Rural District of St. Albans. (59,964)
The Hemel Hempstead Division lost the parts of the Municipal Borough of Watford, and the Civil Parishes of St. Michael Rural (St Albans RD) and Sarratt (Watford RD). It gained the parts of the Municipal Borough of Hemel Hempstead which were previously in St Albans Division, and the Civil Parishes of Wheathampstead (St Albans RD) and Abbots Langley (Watford RD). (50,439)
Hertford Division lost the parts of the Urban District of Welwyn Garden City and the Rural District of Epping which it had previously included. It also lost the Civil Parishes of Hormead and Westmill (Braughing RD). It gained the parts of the Civil Parish of Braughing previously in Hitchin, and the part of the Rural District of Ware in Epping. (56,185)
Hitchin Division lost the parts of the Urban District of Welwyn Garden City and the Civil Parish of Braughing (Braughing RD) which it had previously contained. It gained the parts of the Civil Parishes of Hormead and Westmill (Braughing RD) previously in Hertford. (54,791)
Watford Division lost the part of Elstree Rural District it had previously included. It gained the parts of the Municipal Borough of Watford and the Civil Parish of Sarratt (Watford RD) which were previously in Hemel Hempstead, and the the part of the Civil Parish of Aldenham (Watford RD) previously in St Albans. (79,868)
Enfield Division seems to have undergone a boundary change involving no electors, or by coincidence the numbers moved in and out were the same. It lost part of the Urban District of Barnet, and gained part of the Urban District of Potters Bar previously in St Albans. (78,449)
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Dec 18, 2012 21:25:41 GMT
Schedule 7 covered three divisions of Kent: Chislehurst (114,992), Dartford (134,935), and Sevenoaks (52,451), and the Borough of Bromley (94,928).
Two new Parliamentary Boroughs were created.
1) Bexley, consisting of the Municipal Borough of Bexley (56,518)
2) Dartford, consisting the Municipal Boroughs of Dartford and Erith, and the Urban District of Crayford (69,539)
The revised Chislehurst division consited of the Urban Districts of Chislehurst and Sidcup and Swanscombe, and the Rural District of Dartford (70,749).
A new Orpington division was recommended, to consist of the parts of the Municipal Boroughs of Beckenham and Bromley previously in the Chislehurst division, and the Urban District of Orpington (53,352).
The Sevenoaks division lost 50 electors the part of the Rural District of Dartford (52,401).
The Bromley borough lost about 150 electors in the part of the Urban District of Chislehurst and Sidcup (94,747).
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Dec 18, 2012 21:58:03 GMT
Schedule 8 covered Middlesex. It affected the Borough of Ealing (58,207), the Middlesex Divisions of Harrow (168,594), Hendon (208,609), Twickenham (108,216), Uxbridge (140,299), Acton (48,663), Brentford and Chiswick (41,658), Finchley (66,221), and Spelthorne (95,675), together with the divided Parliamentary Borough of Willesden (East Division 71,179, West Division 58,143).
The commission created an enlarged divided Parliamentary Borough of Ealing consisting of the Municipal Borough of Ealing (120,213). The East Division included the Castlebar, Drayton, Grange, Grosvenor, Lammas, Manor and Mount Park wards (61,869), and the West Division included the Greenford North, Greenford South, Hanwell North, Hanwell South and Northolt wards (58,344).
They created a new divided Parliamentary Borough of Harrow consisting of the Urban District of Harrow (136,409). The East division consisted of the whole of the Kenton, Stanmore North, Stanmore South, Wealdstone North, Wealdstone South wards, and part of Harrow Weald ward east of Oxhey Lane, Uxbridge Road, and Headstone Lane (70,031). The West division consisted of the whole of the Harrow on the Hill and Greenhill, Headstone, Pinner North, Pinner South, Roxeth and West Harrow wards, and the remainder of Harrow Weald ward (66,378).
They also created a new divided Parliamentary Borough of Hendon consisting of the Municipal Borough of Hendon (99,166). The North division consisted of the Burnt Oak, Edgware, Mill Hill and West Hendon wards (46,863). The South division consisted of the Central Hendon, Child's Hill, Garden Suburb, Golders Green and Park wards (52,303).
A new Heston and Isleworth borough consisted of the Municipal Boroughs of Heston and Isleworth (69,172).
A new Southall borough consisted of the Municipal Borough of Southall and the Urban District of Hayes and Harlington (68,871).
A new Twickenham borough consisted of the Municipal Borough of Twickenham (69,971).
The Commission created a divided Parliamentary borough of Wembley consisting of the Municipal Borough of Wembley (88,263). The North division consisted of the Chalkhill, Fryent, Kenton, Preston, Roe Green and The Hyde wards (43,258). The South division consisted of the Alperton, Central, Sudbury, Sudbury Court, Tokyngton and Wembley Park wards (45,005).
A new Uxbridge division of Middlesex consisted of the Urban Districts of Ruislip-Northwood and Uxbridge (62,491).
The revised Acton division lost the parts of the Municipal Boroughs of Brentford and Chiswick and Ealing, but gained parts of the Municipal Borough of Acton which were previously in Ealing, Willesden West, Brentford and Chiswick and Harrow. (48,402)
The revised Brentford and Chiswick division lost its parts of the Municipal Boroughs of Acton, Ealing, and Heston and Isleworth. It gained the parts of the Municipal Borough of Brentford and Chiswick which were previously in Ealing, Acton, Harrow and Twickenham. (41,967)
The revised Finchley division lost part of the Municipal Borough of Hendon, but gained the part of the Municipal Borough of Finchley previously in Hendon. (66,240)
The revised Spelthorne division lost the parts of the Municipal Boroughs of Heston and Isleworth and Twickenham, and of the Urban District of Hayes and Harlington. It gained the parts of the Urban District of Yiewsley and West Drayton previously in Uxbridge. (64,713).
Willesden East division gained the parts of the Municipal Borough of Willesden previously in Hendon, which was land with no electors. (71,179)
Willesden West division lost parts of the Municipal Boroughs of Acton and Wembley, but gained part of the Municipal Borough of Willesden previously in Harrow. (58,407)
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