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Post by manchesterman on Sept 26, 2019 19:08:33 GMT
I think it's been obvious for the last 3+ years that Corbyn is only popular with those who are both (a) politically very engaged and (b) on the left of politics. Everyone who isnt in both of those camps think he is either (a) incompetent (b) dangerous (c) both.
In my role at work, I'm lucky enough to get to walk around a very large office every so often (c 800 people) and engage in conversations with many of them. I do often touch on political issues by way of "chit chat", usually Brexit, but I have mentioned Corbyn as PM and, apart from such folk as the Union activists, I cant recall speaking to anyone who considers him PM material.
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I would say most people at work dont pay attention to politics. I had one colleague asked what i thought of James Corbyn
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Post by andrewp on Sept 26, 2019 19:24:53 GMT
I would say most people at work dont pay attention to politics. I had one colleague asked what i thought of James Corbyn Most people at my work pay no attention at all. The ones are do are anti Brexit, hate Boris, and think Corbyn is awful.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 19:26:31 GMT
I would say most people at work dont pay attention to politics. I had one colleague asked what i thought of James Corbyn Most people at my work pay no attention at all. The ones are do are anti Brexit, hate Boris, and think Corbyn is awful. thats funny cause most of mine are pro brexit though some of them voted remain
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Post by andrewp on Sept 26, 2019 19:50:48 GMT
Most people at my work pay no attention at all. The ones are do are anti Brexit, hate Boris, and think Corbyn is awful. thats funny cause most of mine are pro brexit though some of them voted remain Although I don’t know, I think I probably work with a lot of Lib Dem voters! The one Labour Party member I work with is ambivalent to Brexit and didnt vote in the referendum.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 19:51:56 GMT
thats funny cause most of mine are pro brexit though some of them voted remain Although I don’t know, I think I probably work with a lot of Lib Dem voters! The one Labour Party member I work with is ambivalent to Brexit and didnt vote in the referendum. id be surprised if most of my colleagues vote
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Post by andrewp on Sept 26, 2019 20:01:50 GMT
Although I don’t know, I think I probably work with a lot of Lib Dem voters! The one Labour Party member I work with is ambivalent to Brexit and didnt vote in the referendum. id be surprised if most of my colleagues vote We have a tv with the news channel on all day at work, so plenty of conversations which illuminate political views/ lack of interest.
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Post by Jack on Sept 26, 2019 20:07:10 GMT
I would say most people at work dont pay attention to politics. I had one colleague asked what i thought of James Corbyn And what do you think of James Corbyn?
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 26, 2019 20:11:23 GMT
I would say most people at work dont pay attention to politics. I had one colleague asked what i thought of James Corbyn And what do you think of James Corbyn? His Carpool Karaoke is great.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 20:15:13 GMT
id be surprised if most of my colleagues vote We have a tv with the news channel on all day at work, so plenty of conversations which illuminate political views/ lack of interest. i used to be subject to GMB every morning. Everybody loves Pires Morgan. 'tells it like it is' 'asks the questions others dont' 'should be pm'
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Post by manchesterman on Sept 26, 2019 22:29:20 GMT
I would say most people at work dont pay attention to politics. I had one colleague asked what i thought of James Corbyn Correct my friend, however they do have a vote (and therefore their opinions are reflected in that poll, and every poll about potential PM that we've had in recent years].
I know this will send Merseymike into a fit, but if someone more moderate were Labour leader now, they would be 10 points clear and heading for power.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 22:37:18 GMT
I would say most people at work dont pay attention to politics. I had one colleague asked what i thought of James Corbyn Correct my friend, however they do have a vote (and therefore their opinions are reflected in that poll, and every poll about potential PM that we've had in recent years].
I know this will send Merseymike into a fit, but if someone more moderate were Labour leader now, they would be 10 points clear and heading for power.
if they vote which above as i suggest they sadly don't Thats speculation which does very little for us
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Post by manchesterman on Sept 26, 2019 22:45:36 GMT
Not true. About 7%** of the electorate are politically engaged, but about 70% vote in GEs. You must accept that people who seemingly dont give a toss about politics in daily life, do bother to become engaged on one day every X years.
** made up figure but it's a nice round 10% of the 70% figure
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 22:57:04 GMT
People vote but not because they are politically engaged. I was surprised how many people I knew told me they voted in the last election because of me. As if I told them to vote when I actually had to wrack my brains to remember the last conversation i had with them
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Post by pepperminttea on Sept 27, 2019 9:54:39 GMT
I think it's been obvious for the last 3+ years that Corbyn is only popular with those who are both (a) politically very engaged and (b) on the left of politics. Everyone who isnt in both of those camps think he is either (a) incompetent (b) dangerous (c) both. In my role at work, I'm lucky enough to get to walk around a very large office every so often (c 800 people) and engage in conversations with many of them. I do often touch on political issues by way of "chit chat", usually Brexit, but I have mentioned Corbyn as PM and, apart from such folk as the Union activists, I cant recall speaking to anyone who considers him PM material. This is generally my experience. Having mostly worked in Hertfordshire the older and middle aged staff + management in jobs I've worked in are, based on their statements on current events, are (or at least were until Boris) Tory voters, though of a fairly moderate, mild-mannered type. The younger staff are (or were) mostly Labour though perhaps surprisingly to the commentariat almost all despise all things politically correct and regularly come out with things that would make the likes of Stella Creasy faint with shock (there is a reason why 'wokeness' is the left's biggest political vote loser). Corbyn is deeply unpopular across the board though you do get the odd strident Corbynista here and there though other people just tend to roll their eyes behind their back every time they get on their soap box and tend to try to avoid talking to them about anything more than the weather as much as possible (same for hard line Remainers, hard line Tories/Brexiteers on the other hand tend to avoid disclosing their political views). Indeed in my experience in political discussions at work people tend to appreciate balance and nuance in an argument e.g. 'I recognise the EU is far from perfect and totally understand why the majority wanted to Leave but I personally believe we're better off staying in because...' if instead you go with 'Leave voters are ignorant and hate foreigners' or 'Remain voters hate Britain' people, even those who are on the same side as you, will just think that you're a Grade A tw*t. So perhaps the public aren't really quite as divided as the media would have us believe...
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Post by matureleft on Sept 27, 2019 10:05:46 GMT
I think it's been obvious for the last 3+ years that Corbyn is only popular with those who are both (a) politically very engaged and (b) on the left of politics. Everyone who isnt in both of those camps think he is either (a) incompetent (b) dangerous (c) both. In my role at work, I'm lucky enough to get to walk around a very large office every so often (c 800 people) and engage in conversations with many of them. I do often touch on political issues by way of "chit chat", usually Brexit, but I have mentioned Corbyn as PM and, apart from such folk as the Union activists, I cant recall speaking to anyone who considers him PM material. This is generally my experience. Having mostly worked in Hertfordshire the older and middle aged staff + management in jobs I've worked in are, based on their statements on current events, are (or at least were until Boris) Tory voters, though of a fairly moderate, mild-mannered type. The younger staff are (or were) mostly Labour though perhaps surprisingly to the commentariat almost all despise all things politically correct and regularly come out with things that would make the likes of Stella Creasy faint with shock (there is a reason why 'wokeness' is the left's biggest political vote loser). Corbyn is deeply unpopular across the board though you do get the odd strident Corbynista here and there though other people just tend to roll their eyes behind their back every time they get on their soap box and tend to try to avoid talking to them about anything more than the weather as much as possible (same for hard line Remainers, hard line Tories/Brexiteers on the other hand tend to avoid disclosing their political views). Indeed in my experience in political discussions at work people tend to appreciate balance and nuance in an argument e.g. 'I recognise the EU is far from perfect and totally understand why the majority wanted to Leave but I personally believe we're better off staying in because...' if instead you go with 'Leave voters are ignorant and hate foreigners' or 'Remain voters hate Britain' people, even those who are on the same side as you, will just think that you're a Grade A tw*t. So perhaps the public aren't really quite as divided as the media would have us believe... Mostly perfectly reasonable. My only surprise is that political discourse is common in your workplace. Even though my political views were very well known (or now I come to think of it, perhaps it's because!) I seldom heard political discussion. All the places I worked (other than those that were political in their purpose - that's the comfortable minority of my working career) tended to be places where you'd expect centrist or mildly left views to dominate. That covered 20 years in a big FTSE 100 company as well as some health service stuff. Perhaps people felt no need to share thoughts among folk who they anticipated would be in agreement. Or maybe they held the old, rather English view that talking about politics or religion was slightly rude!
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 27, 2019 10:15:03 GMT
Yes, my work environments have generally been left inclined - certainly the present one is - but overt discussion of politics is not common.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2019 12:19:45 GMT
when I worked in Hertfordshire for Mencap; firstly at Watling View and Fleetville in St Albans and then Southfield in Hatfield, I found people to be vaguely aware of what was going on. Enough to have a conversation but not really enough to express a political opinion. Many of my colleagues knew Michael Hollins who Pete knows and they used to mention him to me a few times. People at work rarely used to bring up my mum as it people regularly did at school and when I was out with friends. But they did mention my own activities 'you're that Labour person for round here'. I can't remember half of these conversations though. I had one person say 'you know you were right about Corbyn'. I can't actually remember the conversation I had with him. I hope people don't roll their eyes behind my back though I don't like talking about politics at work or with people I don't know all that well though if it's something technical I know well enough like to do with what the council are doing regarding our work as a care provider I'll chip in
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 16, 2019 9:45:45 GMT
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