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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 23, 2019 23:27:27 GMT
Leading on from another thread- a thread to note buildings used to house legislatures.
Germany has three buildings that definitely remain standing. These are th Reichstag, the Prussian Landtag in Berlin, and the Bundeshaus in Bonn.
There is one building whose survival I'm not sure of- the old factory on Leipzigerstraße used before the Reichstag.
There are several that are now lost. The first, the Palais Hardenberg. The DDR's Palace of the Republic is also gone.
I am not sure where the predecessors to the Bundestag in the occupation zones sat.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 23, 2019 23:44:12 GMT
There are lots in England, from the days when Parliaments were summoned for a few weeks and in any town in the Kingdom and using any public hall that happened to be there.
The earliest purpose-built Parliament building in the country is Parliament Hall in Edinburgh - now part of the Supreme Courts of Scotland. The Scottish Parliament used to sit in the Church of Scotland's General Assembly Hall and handed it back when the Holyrood buildings were completed.
I wonder what happened to the old basement computer room that was converted into the first Welsh Assembly before the Senedd was built?
The former Irish Parliament building was sold to the Bank of Ireland and is still their headquarters. The octagonal chamber is not recognisable but the old Irish House of Lords was preserved.
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Post by maxque on Jan 24, 2019 0:48:34 GMT
There are lots in England, from the days when Parliaments were summoned for a few weeks and in any town in the Kingdom and using any public hall that happened to be there. The earliest purpose-built Parliament building in the country is Parliament Hall in Edinburgh - now part of the Supreme Courts of Scotland. The Scottish Parliament used to sit in the Church of Scotland's General Assembly Hall and handed it back when the Holyrood buildings were completed. I wonder what happened to the old basement computer room that was converted into the first Welsh Assembly before the Senedd was built?The former Irish Parliament building was sold to the Bank of Ireland and is still their headquarters. The octagonal chamber is not recognisable but the old Irish House of Lords was preserved. Could it be Siambr Hywel in Ty Hywel building? www.assembly.wales/en/gethome/assembly-events/get_involved_trefnwch/Pages/get_involved-tyhywelevent.aspx |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Jan 24, 2019 8:22:01 GMT
There are lots in England, from the days when Parliaments were summoned for a few weeks and in any town in the Kingdom and using any public hall that happened to be there. The earliest purpose-built Parliament building in the country is Parliament Hall in Edinburgh - now part of the Supreme Courts of Scotland. The Scottish Parliament used to sit in the Church of Scotland's General Assembly Hall and handed it back when the Holyrood buildings were completed. I wonder what happened to the old basement computer room that was converted into the first Welsh Assembly before the Senedd was built? The former Irish Parliament building was sold to the Bank of Ireland and is still their headquarters. The octagonal chamber is not recognisable but the old Irish House of Lords was preserved. I've always thought it a much finer building than the current Dail. |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Jan 24, 2019 8:24:17 GMT
The first purpose-built House of Keys on the Isle of Man is in Castletown and now a museum, having at one time been a bank.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 8:43:28 GMT
Leading on from another thread- a thread to note buildings used to house legislatures. Germany has three buildings that definitely remain standing. These are th Reichstag, the Prussian Landtag in Berlin, and the Bundeshaus in Bonn. There is one building whose survival I'm not sure of- the old factory on Leipzigerstraße used before the Reichstag. There are several that are now lost. The first, the Palais Hardenberg. The DDR's Palace of the Republic is also gone. I am not sure where the predecessors to the Bundestag in the occupation zones sat. The Paulskirche in Frankfurt housed the abortive 1848-9 National Assembly. It was badly damaged in WWII but rebuilt.   |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 24, 2019 9:09:35 GMT
Yes, that's it. It wasn't a very good room - there were several pillars which obstructed the view of the rest of the chamber from seats at the rear, and the arrangement of desks wasn't curved enough to make everyone feel part of things. Here it is in service: |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 24, 2019 9:58:57 GMT
@goodoldcause2, I had totally forgotten about the 1848 diet.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 10:02:10 GMT
@goodoldcause2 , I had totally forgotten about the 1848 diet. A fascinating episode, and one of the great missed opportunities of history. If Franz-Joseph had accepted the crown of a united Germany (his cousin, Archduke Johann, was acting Regent), the future of Germany and Europe could have been very different. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jan 24, 2019 10:02:20 GMT
@goodoldcause2 , I had totally forgotten about the 1848 diet.<iframe style="position: absolute; width: 34.22000000000003px; height: 3.0400000000000063px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_50163207" scrolling="no" width="34.22000000000003" height="3.0400000000000063"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 34.22px; height: 3.04px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1640px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_54191526" scrolling="no" width="34.22000000000003" height="3.0400000000000063"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 34.22px; height: 3.04px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 92px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_16285101" scrolling="no" width="34.22000000000003" height="3.0400000000000063"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 34.22px; height: 3.04px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1640px; top: 92px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_86436829" scrolling="no" width="34.22000000000003" height="3.0400000000000063"></iframe> Black bread, bratwurst and a quick swim before breakfast? |
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Post by Foggy on Jan 24, 2019 10:03:27 GMT
@goodoldcause2 , I had totally forgotten about the 1848 diet. .  [Pic taken in 2014, not 1848, by the way.] |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 24, 2019 10:03:30 GMT
On to Italy. The unified state has had its parliament at Palazzo Montecitorio in Rome since 1871. Prior to this, it met in the temporary capital of Florence at the Palazzo Vecchio, and before then at the Palazzo Carignano in Turin, which had been the parliament of the Kingdom of Sardinia.
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Post by maxque on Jan 24, 2019 15:01:54 GMT
Canada had 5 capitals and parliaments from its unification in 1841.
First, it was in Kingston in what was built to be an hospital but wasn't because there was no funds to operate it. It became an hospital as soon Parliament moved away and is still one (the Kingston General Hospital).
After, it went to Montreal in St. Anne's Market. It was arsoned and looted by protestant Loyalists unhappy at the passage of the Rebellion Losses Bill, which compensated French Canadians who lost property during the 1837-1838 rebellion (said French Canadians were approving of the uprising). It is now the parking lot section of a town square.
After the fire, they decieed to alternate between Quebec City and Toronto, using the old Lower and Upper Canada Parliaments.
Toronto building was demolished in the early 1900's, as it was prime downtown property. The location now includes CBC (the canadian BBC) offices in Toronto, a luxury hotel and two skyscrapers (one being the headquarters of the Royal Bank).
In Quebec City, they also used the old Parliament, which was the former Bishop's Palace. It burnt down too and was rebuilt and used at Quebec Assembly when it became a province, through it burnt again in the 1880's and was replaced by a park.
During the rebuilding, the Parliament moved in a brand-new Music Hall. It also burned in 1900 and was rebuilt as a roller rink, who burnt again in 1907, was rebuilt and finally collapsed in 1909, killing one person. The location is now unremarkable downtown housing.
Finally, Queen Victoria decided Ottawa would the capital and they moved in the current building.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 24, 2019 15:32:02 GMT
The Belgian federal parliament has only ever met at the Palace of the Nation in Brussels.
The Walloon parliament meets at the St-Gilles hospice in Namur (I don't why Namur is the Walloon capital, though). The ludicrous Parliament of the French-speaking Community meets at the Hotel de Ligne in Brussels.
The Flemish parliament meets in a purpose-built building in Brussels.
The Germanophone parliament meets at Eupen and has had two buildings- bizarrely, an old towel factory and then from 2007 in a renovated sanitorium and girls' boarding school.
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Post by Disgusted Of Tunbridge Wells on Feb 18, 2019 1:39:38 GMT
The Belgian federal parliament has only ever met at the Palace of the Nation in Brussels. The Walloon parliament meets at the St-Gilles hospice in Namur (I don't why Namur is the Walloon capital, though). The ludicrous Parliament of the French-speaking Community meets at the Hotel de Ligne in Brussels. The Flemish parliament meets in a purpose-built building in Brussels. The Germanophone parliament meets at Eupen and has had two buildings- bizarrely, an old towel factory and then from 2007 in a renovated sanitorium and girls' boarding school. Eh?! 2 Parliaments to represent 1 people.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 18, 2019 16:00:18 GMT
The Belgian federal parliament has only ever met at the Palace of the Nation in Brussels. The Walloon parliament meets at the St-Gilles hospice in Namur (I don't why Namur is the Walloon capital, though). The ludicrous Parliament of the French-speaking Community meets at the Hotel de Ligne in Brussels. The Flemish parliament meets in a purpose-built building in Brussels. The Germanophone parliament meets at Eupen and has had two buildings- bizarrely, an old towel factory and then from 2007 in a renovated sanitorium and girls' boarding school. Eh?! 2 Parliaments to represent 1 people.
Technically the Walloon Parliament also represents the German speakers (who have their own anyway), but also the Francophone parliament represents Francophones in Brussels. Whereas the Flemish Community and Flemish Parliament are the same body, and Flemish speakers in Brussels are presumed to be otherwise represented. Mad. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 16:10:03 GMT
In Canberra there is Old Parliament House (1927-88, just down the hill from the current Parliament House), and the Parliament House in Melbourne is both current *and* former having been the home of the federal parliament from 1901-1927 and the state parliament before and since then.
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Post by Disgusted Of Tunbridge Wells on Feb 18, 2019 17:58:57 GMT
Eh?! 2 Parliaments to represent 1 people.
Technically the Walloon Parliament also represents the German speakers (who have their own anyway), but also the Francophone parliament represents Francophones in Brussels. Whereas the Flemish Community and Flemish Parliament are the same body, and Flemish speakers in Brussels are presumed to be otherwise represented. Mad. It does seem stupid. Why don't they have one Parliament for Brussels, a National Parliament and the Walloon/German-speaking/Flemish Parliaments. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 18, 2019 18:08:55 GMT
Technically the Walloon Parliament also represents the German speakers (who have their own anyway), but also the Francophone parliament represents Francophones in Brussels. Whereas the Flemish Community and Flemish Parliament are the same body, and Flemish speakers in Brussels are presumed to be otherwise represented. Mad. It does seem stupid. Why don't they have one Parliament for Brussels, a National Parliament and the Walloon/German-speaking/Flemish Parliaments. Because Belgian politics is primarily based on rent-seeking and corruption! |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 18, 2019 18:54:54 GMT
Technically the Walloon Parliament also represents the German speakers (who have their own anyway), but also the Francophone parliament represents Francophones in Brussels. Whereas the Flemish Community and Flemish Parliament are the same body, and Flemish speakers in Brussels are presumed to be otherwise represented. Mad. It does seem stupid. Why don't they have one Parliament for Brussels, a National Parliament and the Walloon/German-speaking/Flemish Parliaments. Why don't they have one States General of the Netherlands for Flanders, a French Parliament for Wallonia and a Budestag for Malmedy. And dig a big fucking hole where Brussels is And put Guy Verhofstadt in it |
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