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Post by greatkingrat on Jan 29, 2013 18:30:33 GMT
Naomi Long was the only non-Conservative to vote with the government.
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Post by stepney on Jan 29, 2013 18:56:29 GMT
Of the IER Bill?! Aye, well, if you say so. The IER Bill might do more, by stripping out made up Labour voters in South Asian-dominated seats, to remove unfair bias towards Labour in the electoral system than even the boundary review could hope to. So for once I'm in full agreement with you. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2013 19:33:54 GMT
They didn't have a choice. The only way to avoid the vote was to drop the entire bill which would mean losing all the changes to individual voter registration. The Tories had the choice to support Lords reform The real nasty party in all this is, of course, Labour. I notice yonder numpty for the very safe, very small Rhondda is gloating about saving democracy. Tedious, predictable nonsense... Still, think of all the geeky fun you'll have on your site typing in 'not going to happen' 600 times .... ;D |
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Post by Sibboleth on Jan 29, 2013 19:51:06 GMT
As for Shapps, he could yet turn out to be a greater liability for the Tories than they - or he - yet realise  Grant Shapps believes that horses are carnivorous. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2013 19:59:41 GMT
Some conservative backbenchers are really really stupid. And I mean stupid. Despite several warnings, despite being told that the laws of physics apply to politics as well in terms of opposite reactions twitter is ablaze with toy throwing and tantrums.
How did some of them get elected?
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jan 29, 2013 20:03:51 GMT
Of the IER Bill?! Aye, well, if you say so. The IER Bill might do more, by stripping out made up Labour voters in South Asian-dominated seats, to remove unfair bias towards Labour in the electoral system than even the boundary review could hope to. So for once I'm in full agreement with you. Surprising amount of South Asian voters in Stamford Hill, aren't there? |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 29, 2013 20:12:48 GMT
I'm increasingly coming to the view that the idea of the electoral register as a separately compiled database is outdated. I don't see why anyone who makes a legally significant declaration of their name, address and nationality should not automatically be entered on the electoral register at the same time.
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Post by stepney on Jan 29, 2013 20:37:59 GMT
Surprising amount of South Asian voters in Stamford Hill, aren't there? Stamford Hill? The incidence of electoral fraud in Stamford Hill is a lot less and a lot less recent than in Birmingham, Bradford, Tower Hamlets et hoc genus onme ad infinitum. I'm increasingly coming to the view that the idea of the electoral register as a separately compiled database is outdated. I don't see why anyone who makes a legally significant declaration of their name, address and nationality should not automatically be entered on the electoral register at the same time. Because that's not remotely open to massive fraud one little bit. Some people seem to swallow the Electoral Commission's line that voting and registering to vote should be something that is terribly easy. Whereas some would prefer that making it a little bit harder for genuine voters would be preferable if it meant the ineligible were kept out of the lists. Differing views, can't imagine why there might be such differences. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jan 29, 2013 22:06:55 GMT
Surprising amount of South Asian voters in Stamford Hill, aren't there? Stamford Hill? The incidence of electoral fraud in Stamford Hill is a lot less and a lot less recent than in Birmingham, Bradford, Tower Hamlets et hoc genus onme ad infinitum. Two councillors were jailed in 2001 for electoral fraud in Hackney committed in 1998. That is less recent than the cases in Birmingham and Bradford, but it's not a lot less recent. In that case around a 100 voters were invented, and once we're on that scale the exact number is less important than the fact it's enough to affect an election. Oh, and whilst we're talking about the electoral effect of fraud, I think we should discuss the party affiliations of those convicted in Bradford, Hackney and Slough (and I've got my suspicions about some counter-intuitive swings seen in one ward of Peterborough recently). This is a problem with tightly-knit groups with a reluctance to integrate into wider society, not a Labour problem. Frankly, given how much we win the South Asian vote by in fair elections, anything that cracks down on fraud within that community can only be to our advantage. |
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Post by tricky on Jan 29, 2013 22:27:18 GMT
Some conservative backbenchers are really really stupid. And I mean stupid. Despite several warnings, despite being told that the laws of physics apply to politics as well in terms of opposite reactions twitter is ablaze with toy throwing and tantrums. How did some of them get elected? A couple of right wing newspaper columnists were pointing out on Twitter that the same Tory backbenchers now screeching abuse were told 'in words of one syllable' that if they brought down Lords Reform they would not get this Boundary Review. |
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Post by stepney on Jan 29, 2013 22:33:19 GMT
Frankly, given how much we win the South Asian vote by in fair elections, anything that cracks down on fraud within that community can only be to our advantage. That's not even funny. It's just risible. |
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Post by Khunanup on Jan 29, 2013 23:31:39 GMT
Some conservative backbenchers are really really stupid. And I mean stupid. Despite several warnings, despite being told that the laws of physics apply to politics as well in terms of opposite reactions twitter is ablaze with toy throwing and tantrums. How did some of them get elected? They stood against Sarah McCarthy-Fry... |
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Post by Khunanup on Jan 29, 2013 23:35:14 GMT
Some conservative backbenchers are really really stupid. And I mean stupid. Despite several warnings, despite being told that the laws of physics apply to politics as well in terms of opposite reactions twitter is ablaze with toy throwing and tantrums. How did some of them get elected? A couple of right wing newspaper columnists were pointing out on Twitter that the same Tory backbenchers now screeching abuse were told 'in words of one syllable' that if they brought down Lords Reform they would not get this Boundary Review. Yes, I find the junior Portsmouth Member's protestations about this vote today ludicrous for that very reason. You reap what you sow... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2013 23:35:20 GMT
This "debate" might as well be going on here. Tories are in the wrong for supporting unelected, unaccountable peers Labour on the wrong for supporting smaller urban seats Only we look remotely good out of this. Reform agenda? More like Reform offenders.... Except you broke an agreement that if the Tories supported an AV referendum you would support the boundary changes. I'm pleased the changes won't happen because the proposed boundaries were awful and the names were worse. Neither of which are valid reasons to reject the boundary changes (or did you like Knowsley North and Sefton East, and the like? You can't say "the boundaries were awful" - it was based on a logical and agreed foundation, unless you're now implying some kind of meta hatred of British geography. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2013 23:37:18 GMT
No surprise on Shepherd, the ONLY reason I wanted the changes so he would lose Streetly that would have been hilarous. Of course Dok's bitterness really should be directed to his own party whose votes ensured this failed. I'm not bitter. I'm disappointed that the Labour Party, the party of the working man and defeating injustice in society, chose to support the unelected, unaccountable political appointees in the House of Lords. Had Labour supported democracy (and as they support the House of Lords, FPTP and unequal constituencies, clearly Labour don't support democracy), we would not be in this position. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jan 30, 2013 0:42:55 GMT
Frankly, given how much we win the South Asian vote by in fair elections, anything that cracks down on fraud within that community can only be to our advantage. That's not even funny. It's just risible. More than one Conservative councillor has been elected in the past decade off the back of fraud in heavily South Asian wards. That is quite clearly not to the Labour Party's advantage. |
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Post by Richard Allen on Jan 30, 2013 0:48:11 GMT
Some conservative backbenchers are really really stupid. And I mean stupid. Despite several warnings, despite being told that the laws of physics apply to politics as well in terms of opposite reactions twitter is ablaze with toy throwing and tantrums. How did some of them get elected? Quite so. Anyone stupid enough to trust the Lib Dems to stick to a deal (Boundary changes were linked to an AV referendum, not Lords reform) does not deserve to be elected. For the record I supported the principle of equalising electorates but thought that the 10% tolerance was too tight unless the Boundary Commission were willing to split wards. The proposals for Birmingham were an abomination and I am glad they will not be implemented. |
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Post by Richard Allen on Jan 30, 2013 0:49:34 GMT
No surprise on Shepherd, the ONLY reason I wanted the changes so he would lose Streetly that would have been hilarous. Delighted to see Sir Richard vote against these proposals as it probably means that he will stand again in 2015. |
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Post by john07 on Jan 30, 2013 2:26:18 GMT
Four Tory rebels: David Davis (because the payroll vote wouldn't be descreasing), Once more David Davis(unlike his near namesake David Davies) has come out as a man of principle. That was my main objection to the reduction in the size of the commons. If only there were a few more like him on the Tory (and other) benches. |
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Post by john07 on Jan 30, 2013 2:27:21 GMT
Some conservative backbenchers are really really stupid. And I mean stupid. Despite several warnings, despite being told that the laws of physics apply to politics as well in terms of opposite reactions twitter is ablaze with toy throwing and tantrums. How did some of them get elected? Quite so. Anyone stupid enough to trust the Lib Dems to stick to a deal (Boundary changes were linked to an AV referendum, not Lords reform) does not deserve to be elected. For the record I supported the principle of equalising electorates but thought that the 10% tolerance was too tight unless the Boundary Commission were willing to split wards. The proposals for Birmingham were an abomination and I am glad they will not be implemented. Exalt. |
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