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Post by The Bishop on Oct 25, 2013 11:48:52 GMT
Ah right, get you now. Yeah, another byelection would be GG's best chance assuming he is given the bum's rush by Bradford voters in 2015.
But can he really fool enough people again? Labour (and other parties) must be able to field some damning stuff against him now.....
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 25, 2013 11:49:29 GMT
Galloway likes places starting with B - Bethnal Green & Bow, Birmingham, Bradford, Blackburn, Baghdad...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 12:02:46 GMT
Ah right, get you now. Yeah, another byelection would be GG's best chance assuming he is given the bum's rush by Bradford voters in 2015. But can he really fool enough people again? Labour (and other parties) must be able to field some damning stuff against him now..... and are people that fooled. OK he may get a proportion of the Muslim community but Iain Salma was far more credible than him and I just dont think it can happen again. Not least because I think Godsiff as a fair proportion of the Muslim community anyway. |
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 25, 2013 12:05:39 GMT
Yes, but the speculation here is of a post-Godsiff by-election (he is approaching 70, after all)
Candidate selection for Labour in such an eventuality would be crucial. Hopefully the lessons of Bradford have been learned!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 12:36:51 GMT
Gerald Kaufman is too clever a man to be undermined by George Galloway. I assumed he wouldn't stand again, but I am obviously mistaken; if Galloway threatened to stand in the seat then Gerald K would probably want to stay on and fight him. Gerald K has a lot more respect from the Manchester Muslim community than one might assume, not least because of his heartfelt denunciations of what he sees of the betrayal of the founding principles of the State of Israel in its treatment of the Palestinians. If Salma Yacoob couldn't beat Roger Godsiff in Hall Green, there is no way the George Galloway will, not least because many former members of Respect would oppose him in. I was thinking of possible by-elections in both cases. I also posit that I understand Hall Green a little better than you. Trust me, suitable by-election and Galloway would be in the running. I bow to your greater wisdom on this one. I agree that byelections are an issue, but people will become jaded with his flitting from place to place. Whilst I spent 6 years in Birmingham, I plead no great knowledge of Hall Green, but don't you think that Salma Yaqoob would oppose Mr Galloway standing in her stamping ground? Muslim women wouldn't be so quick to rush to him if she was agin him. If she chose to stand as an Independent at a byelection, then there would be some worry for Labour. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 12:39:57 GMT
Yes, but the speculation here is of a post-Godsiff by-election (he is approaching 70, after all) Candidate selection for Labour in such an eventuality would be crucial. Hopefully the lessons of Bradford have been learned! he has said he will stand again and there are a few suitable and unsuitable candidates locally. I would love to be in their selection meeting if they had to have one ! |
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Post by iainbhx on Oct 25, 2013 13:20:56 GMT
Yes, but the speculation here is of a post-Godsiff by-election (he is approaching 70, after all) Candidate selection for Labour in such an eventuality would be crucial. Hopefully the lessons of Bradford have been learned! he has said he will stand again and there are a few suitable and unsuitable candidates locally. I would love to be in their selection meeting if they had to have one ! Yes, it would be a fly on the wall job, wouldn't it. Part of the reason why Godsiff wasn't given the bum's rush from the old Sparkbrook and Small Heath was that whilst 3 wards hated him, they all hated each others factional candidate more. |
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Post by iainbhx on Oct 25, 2013 13:25:57 GMT
I was thinking of possible by-elections in both cases. I also posit that I understand Hall Green a little better than you. Trust me, suitable by-election and Galloway would be in the running. I bow to your greater wisdom on this one. I agree that byelections are an issue, but people will become jaded with his flitting from place to place. Whilst I spent 6 years in Birmingham, I plead no great knowledge of Hall Green, but don't you think that Salma Yaqoob would oppose Mr Galloway standing in her stamping ground? Muslim women wouldn't be so quick to rush to him if she was agin him. If she chose to stand as an Independent at a byelection, then there would be some worry for Labour. Yes, well, I spent 14 years living in Sparkbrook and Small Heath and then Hall Green. Salma's support is not the solid block you think it is, nor is it terribly ideological. Most of it will support the candidate they are told to support by their masjid/community leader or will support the candidate that the head of the household fills in on the postal ballot. Much of Salma's white support (probably less than 10% of the total) will probably go back to Labour. I would doubt with Salma's health, that she would stand in a by-election. Even if she did, she is a busted flush. Galloway, however, has the right sort of snake oil noises to get a substantial vote. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 14:37:43 GMT
In that case, I will keep Mr Godsiff in my prayers that he has a long and healthy life.
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Post by andrea on Oct 25, 2013 15:17:24 GMT
Part of the reason why Godsiff wasn't given the bum's rush from the old Sparkbrook and Small Heath was that whilst 3 wards hated him, they all hated each others factional candidate more. It was said the same about Clare Short. In her case, I guess it was that Black community fearing an Asian would win and vice-versa. As for Kaufman, he actually threatened to stand again in 2015 but I don't know if he undertook the reselection process yet. When he said he wanted to stand again (it was something like 2011), he also flooted the idea of an AWS to succeed him....so he probably wanted to stop some men  Cllr Khan from Manchester has a good chance of going to Strasbourg next year (he's third on Labour North West list), so he may be satisfied. There could still be Khan's daughter (who stood in Bury North in 2010 with a decentish result afterall) just in case a family member is needed. |
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Post by erlend on Oct 25, 2013 18:46:01 GMT
Not so propular in Basra or Benghazi.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 25, 2013 19:38:46 GMT
You clicked on the wrong page again erlend
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Post by erlend on Oct 25, 2013 19:52:37 GMT
As far as I can see it seems just that it took me 8 hours to respond to your
with my
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 25, 2013 20:06:10 GMT
I knew what you were replying to - It seemed to me you had clicked onto page 63 and read my comment on the bottom of the page as the last comment on this thread. Apologies if that is a misrepresentation of the situation
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Post by erlend on Oct 25, 2013 20:18:38 GMT
It was an understandable misunderstanding based on past form.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 21:29:24 GMT
Gerald Kaufman is too clever a man to be undermined by George Galloway. I assumed he wouldn't stand again, but I am obviously mistaken; if Galloway threatened to stand in the seat then Gerald K would probably want to stay on and fight him. Gerald K has a lot more respect from the Manchester Muslim community than one might assume, not least because of his heartfelt denunciations of what he sees of the betrayal of the founding principles of the State of Israel in its treatment of the Palestinians. If Salma Yacoob couldn't beat Roger Godsiff in Hall Green, there is no way the George Galloway will, not least because many former members of Respect would oppose him in. I was thinking of possible by-elections in both cases. I also posit that I understand Hall Green a little better than you. Trust me, suitable by-election and Galloway would be in the running. Is there not a case that Hall Green has 'done' Respect once over and would thus be unlikely to fall head over heels for Galloway. In both Bradford and Tower Hamlets he could present as a fresh alternative to the major parties - harder to do when Respect have already been a major party |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 21:32:24 GMT
I personally think and hope that everyone has woken up to this charlatan now
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Post by finsobruce on Oct 25, 2013 21:36:55 GMT
I personally think and hope that everyone has woken up to this charlatan now It would be lovely to think so, but that's what everyone thought before Bradford. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 21:41:59 GMT
I was thinking of possible by-elections in both cases. I also posit that I understand Hall Green a little better than you. Trust me, suitable by-election and Galloway would be in the running. Is there not a case that Hall Green has 'done' Respect once over and would thus be unlikely to fall head over heels for Galloway. In both Bradford and Tower Hamlets he could present as a fresh alternative to the major parties - harder to do when Respect have already been a major party An example of this phenomenon is that UKIP didn't do anywhere near as well as people expected in Penzance, where it had been polling strongly for years, in the Unitary Authority elections in May. Whilst UKIP were sweeping a great deal before it elsewhere with inexpereienced candidates in many cases, it dropped back in Penzance. It was no longer the new kid on the block and Labour and a centre-left Independent won the three seats. Respect may well suffer this fate if it tries to do the same thing again in Hall Green (in fact, it has pretty much disappeared as a force, though it might be a sleeping giant). |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 25, 2013 22:00:39 GMT
A party which can win seats but never retain them is not an unusual phenomenon. The BNP was able to win 107 council seats in 64 different wards or electoral divisions from 1993 to 2012, but only 10 councillors successfully stood for re-election in the same ward.
In the 1918-29 period the Liberal Party won 281 out of the 615 Parliamentary seats at least once. If it had won them all in the same election, there would probably have been a Liberal government.
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