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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Oct 23, 2013 10:55:33 GMT
Yes CL people do 'go off the rails', jump ship, change views and change party especially during the rise of the new (SDP and UKIP)but often the reason for deselection is a grubby tawdry back-room fit-up as you well know. These cases leave a bad taste in all our mouths...or they should. Even where somebody's replacement is chosen as part of a fix-up, there are reasons why the deselected councillor is the victim rather than one of his or her fellow councillors. Selections are under the control of the ward membership and if you're doing a good job for your ward and your local members, they aren't going to vote to deselect you. Which is not to say that all deselected members are bad - many are probably just profoundly average. But if the members selecting you value their membership of an internal faction or their friendship with the group leader above having you as their local councillor, you cannot be said to be a good ward councillor. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2013 11:00:25 GMT
Two Wiltshire Councillors have defected from the Liberal Democrat party to go independent. Coun Simon Killane resigned from the party a week after he narrowly missed out on being selected as its parliamentary candidate for North Wiltshire. Idiot. Not idiot. |
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Post by tricky on Oct 24, 2013 11:16:11 GMT
Will resigning from a party in a huff, after losing a Parliamentary selection, be known as "doing a Simon Killane" or "doing a Prem Goyal"? Discuss. I think we should probably be grateful they didn't attempt swapsies. At least if they resign rather than defect another party doesn't have to clean up the mess. |
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Post by erlend on Oct 24, 2013 12:08:09 GMT
The example I give of a bad for the recipient defection (post expulsion) would be last time Labour candidate in SE Cambs.
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Post by aslaw on Oct 24, 2013 18:43:56 GMT
Don't agree with East Anglian Leftie. Though a councillor can work successfully for a ward the Machiavellian manipulation s of a few individuals can result in deselection. I know. It happened to me.strangely in my case another neighbouring ward decided to select me over a sitting councillor so I continued on the Council, winning the seat.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2013 18:47:03 GMT
Don't agree with East Anglian Leftie. Though a councillor can work successfully for a ward the Machiavellian manipulation s of a few individuals can result in deselection. I know. It happened to me.strangely in my case another neighbouring ward decided to select me over a sitting councillor so I continued on the Council, winning the seat. you do now realise you are going to get people rushing around to guess who you are !! |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Oct 24, 2013 19:14:52 GMT
Machiavellian manipulators will tend to be reasonably good at target selection. The fact that a councillor in a neighbouring ward was worse than you at keeping the members who turn up to ward meetings on side does not mean that they necessarily chose a bad target. Clearly some people do a good job and still get deselected. But most deselections are able to happen for a reason.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 25, 2013 7:37:27 GMT
News this morning that the five councillors elected for Respect to Bradford City Council have definitely left the party. And issued a stinging denunciation of George Galloway.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 7:48:11 GMT
no shock at all given his article this week that being an MP is boring, was that his 'Ratner' moment ?
Were they ex Labour per chance ?
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 25, 2013 8:16:37 GMT
Galloway's increased interest in running for London Mayor, and continued lack of visibility in Bradford, was one of the background factors. The final straw in August was over candidate selection in Manningham ward for 2014.
All five were elected for Respect in 2012 but some had been in the Labour Party beforehand. Given that Labour is just short of a majority on Bradford City Council, some may well be tempted to return; but the five seem to be trying to stick together.
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Post by iainbhx on Oct 25, 2013 9:30:30 GMT
News this morning that the five councillors elected for Respect to Bradford City Council have definitely left the party. And issued a stinging denunciation of George Galloway. People will learn what happens when you elect a Galloway one day, I hope. However, I'm sure he'll carpet bag somewhere else at some point. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 9:35:59 GMT
It isn't so much that he is a carpet-bagger, it is that he is a snake-oil saleman and I can't believe people fall for his spiel. I reckon that he is running out of people who will buy it though, except for those whose world view is shaped by conspiracy theories.
Sadly, there are more of them than I can comfortably come to terms with.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Oct 25, 2013 9:50:52 GMT
News this morning that the five councillors elected for Respect to Bradford City Council have definitely left the party. And issued a stinging denunciation of George Galloway. People will learn what happens when you elect a Galloway one day, I hope. However, I'm sure he'll carpet bag somewhere else at some point. At this point he's beginning to run out of places to carpet-bag to. |
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Post by Crimson King on Oct 25, 2013 10:45:28 GMT
News this morning that the five councillors elected for Respect to Bradford City Council have definitely left the party. And issued a stinging denunciation of George Galloway. The T and A report is here |
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Post by iainbhx on Oct 25, 2013 11:02:10 GMT
People will learn what happens when you elect a Galloway one day, I hope. However, I'm sure he'll carpet bag somewhere else at some point. At this point he's beginning to run out of places to carpet-bag to. Godsiff is 67 and standing for another term. Kaufman is 83 Those would be the two I'd worry about. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 11:17:11 GMT
Gerald Kaufman is too clever a man to be undermined by George Galloway. I assumed he wouldn't stand again, but I am obviously mistaken; if Galloway threatened to stand in the seat then Gerald K would probably want to stay on and fight him.
Gerald K has a lot more respect from the Manchester Muslim community than one might assume, not least because of his heartfelt denunciations of what he sees of the betrayal of the founding principles of the State of Israel in its treatment of the Palestinians.
If Salma Yacoob couldn't beat Roger Godsiff in Hall Green, there is no way the George Galloway will, not least because many former members of Respect would oppose him in.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 11:19:59 GMT
I add to this that I lived in Gerald Kaufman's constituency for a while and my wonderful and much-missed Dad had an ongoing correspondence with GK that brought a certain grudging resect from my Dad. Mr Kaufman is assiduous as a constituency MP; nothing is taken for granted by him.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 25, 2013 11:30:01 GMT
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Oct 25, 2013 11:33:53 GMT
Galloway's increased interest in running for London Mayor, and continued lack of visibility in Bradford, was one of the background factors. The final straw in August was over candidate selection in Manningham ward for 2014. All five were elected for Respect in 2012 but some had been in the Labour Party beforehand. Given that Labour is just short of a majority on Bradford City Council, some may well be tempted to return; but the five seem to be trying to stick together. Does anybody know how many might be able to fit in, either in Bradford Labour or in the Labour Party in general? Ideological uniformity in a personalist grouping may be hard to find. |
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Post by iainbhx on Oct 25, 2013 11:44:12 GMT
Gerald Kaufman is too clever a man to be undermined by George Galloway. I assumed he wouldn't stand again, but I am obviously mistaken; if Galloway threatened to stand in the seat then Gerald K would probably want to stay on and fight him. Gerald K has a lot more respect from the Manchester Muslim community than one might assume, not least because of his heartfelt denunciations of what he sees of the betrayal of the founding principles of the State of Israel in its treatment of the Palestinians. If Salma Yacoob couldn't beat Roger Godsiff in Hall Green, there is no way the George Galloway will, not least because many former members of Respect would oppose him in. I was thinking of possible by-elections in both cases. I also posit that I understand Hall Green a little better than you. Trust me, suitable by-election and Galloway would be in the running. |
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