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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2013 12:45:22 GMT
I guess people leaving the LDs is good in a way for labour but also could be problematic. It leaves the LDs going further and further rightwards and presumably more and more likely (particularly in the future) to prefer us as coalition partners rather than labour.
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Post by erlend on Apr 28, 2013 13:10:04 GMT
I think it would affect the balance marginally but not normally be decisive. And saying that as someone who was regarded as a sceptic but voted for the coalition as a member of the Lib Dem FE in 2010.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Apr 29, 2013 9:34:10 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2013 9:47:34 GMT
good for John ...
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Post by stepney on Apr 29, 2013 9:58:57 GMT
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Post by johnloony on Apr 29, 2013 12:24:19 GMT
I am loyal to my new party; it is a shame that Eddie Arram has been going out of his way to damage it. Everybody in Croydon politics knows that Eddie Arram has been a nincompoop throughout his term as Mayor. I am not prepared to stand idly by and allow elected councillors to abuse their position and exceed their authority to bully members of the public. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2013 12:41:22 GMT
and quite right too John, more members of their own parties should say this no matter what kind of trouble it calls. Loyalty does not equal turning a blind eye.
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Post by stepney on Apr 29, 2013 13:10:06 GMT
Why don't I break the nice independent-minded consensus here, and query if it would be too much to ask that if a Conservative member has an issue with a Conservative councillor, they take it up through the appropriate party channels rather than airing dirty washing on a blog?
I see our Walsillian poster standing up for a combination of JS Mill and Edmund Burke in how Tory members should approach our party matters, but something tells me he doesn't apply this to criticisms he might have of Walsall Labour councillors.
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Apr 29, 2013 13:43:08 GMT
Marzia Nicodemi describes herself on Twitter as 'Joined Labour in 2010. Independent before.'
That's quite amusing, as she didn't strike me as particularly independent when she was my Italian teacher in the 90s. Very pleasant, but certainly not independent politically!
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Post by johnloony on Apr 29, 2013 14:16:17 GMT
Why don't I break the nice independent-minded consensus here, and query if it would be too much to ask that if a Conservative member has an issue with a Conservative councillor, they take it up through the appropriate party channels rather than airing dirty washing on a blog? I have already done so. The main issue here is the behaviour of Cllr Arram in his position as Mayor, not as a member of the Conservative Party. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Apr 29, 2013 18:16:01 GMT
I am loyal to my new party; it is a shame that Eddie Arram has been going out of his way to damage it. Everybody in Croydon politics knows that Eddie Arram has been a nincompoop throughout his term as Mayor. I am not prepared to stand idly by and allow elected councillors to abuse their position and exceed their authority to bully members of the public. Was his nincompoopishness a familiar characteristic or something which has only emerged since his elevation as Mayor? If the former, why was he chosen? |
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Post by johnloony on Apr 29, 2013 23:25:05 GMT
Was his nincompoopishness a familiar characteristic or something which has only emerged since his elevation as Mayor? If the former, why was he chosen? As a backbench councillor, he tended to heckle people or speak out of turn more often than most. I can only assume that it was hoped that elevating him to Mayor might have persuaded him to adjust his nincompoopness to a more moderate level. |
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Post by thirdchill on Apr 30, 2013 10:18:15 GMT
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Post by andrea on May 5, 2013 15:49:18 GMT
Using Listener's brilliant posts about all the changes in each councils between 2009 and 2013, I looked at the destiny of the defectors (excluding people going from one shade of Indy to another) up this year. The following ones were returned for their new party
Devon:
Former LD Rob Hannaford easily won Exwick and St. Thomas for Labour (LD polled 7.6% in 4th place)
West Sussex
Former LD Heidi Brunsdon held Imberdown for Con.
Kent
Adrian Crowther easily held Sheppey ward as UKIP (44% to 26% for the new Tory candidate)
Cumbria:
The 2 deselected Labour Cllrs easily won their wards as Independents
Durham:
Former LD Kevin Thompson topped the poll in Spennymoor as Spennymoor Independents People Before Politics.
Cornwall:
Former Tory George Trubody held Rame Peninsular as an Independent: Trubody 536 Con 533 UKIP 524 LD 312
Former Tory Carolyn Rule easily held Mullion and Grade-Ruan as Independent
Former Tory Armand Toms easily held Looe East as an Independent
Isle of Wight:
Former Indy turned Tory Wayne Whittle held Ryde North East
Former Tory Lora Peacey-Wilcox easily won Cowes Medina as Independent.
North Yorkshire
Former Tory John Savage held Ainsty for the Liberal Party 38 to 34%.
Fomer Indy Penny Marsden held Weaponness and Ramshill for the Tories.
Lincolnshire:
Former Independent Michael Brookes held Boston Rural for the Tories
Leicestershire:
Former Con David Sprason held Markfield Desford & Thornton for UKIP by 2%
Gloucestershire
Former Con Klara Sudbury was returned for LibDems. I don't know if it's the same ward as I don't know boundary changes in details.
East Sussex
Former Con Phil Howson held Peacehaven and Telscombe Towns for UKIP
Dorset
Fomer LD Peter Hall held Christchurch Central for the Tories (Con 40.24% UKIP 36.62 LD 13.1 Lab 10)
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2013 10:50:41 GMT
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Post by Khunanup on May 6, 2013 11:14:51 GMT
It would also appear to be due to ongoing power struggles in the SNP group. The SNP seem to think they had a God given right to run the place being the largest party and don't seem to have come to terms with that isn't the case going by their leader's comments. How many defections from the SNP has that been since last May now? |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2013 12:09:19 GMT
Thinking about it, is this the first time since last May that an SNP councillor has defected to another party rather than simply left the SNP to sit as an independent?
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Post by piperdave on May 6, 2013 20:41:40 GMT
Thinking about it, is this the first time since last May that an SNP councillor has defected to another party rather than simply left the SNP to sit as an independent? As far as my records go, it is. And not all those Independents wanted to leave the SNP, but did silly things that got them suspended or jumped before being pushed. |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2013 20:46:33 GMT
I'm guessing it's also the first time that an elected representative in Scotland has defected to the Liberal Democrats in quite a while as well.
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Post by Tactical Green on May 6, 2013 22:02:42 GMT
There was an SNP to Lib Dem Cllr defection just before the last Holyrood election. Maybe in Glasgow
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