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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2015 20:53:01 GMT
AdminSTB. Can you change my affiliation to non-aligned please? Thanks. Oh. Anything to do with Farron? You can actually make yourself non-aligned by going into edit profile and settings. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2015 21:11:34 GMT
AdminSTB. Can you change my affiliation to non-aligned please? Thanks. Oh. Anything to do with Farron? You can actually make yourself non-aligned by going into edit profile and settings. Cheers |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2015 21:14:31 GMT
Now I realise why some non-aligned users are grey and some are dark blue. Only Kris can make usernames grey.
Was it a tough decision after 15 years of membership? Are there any other parties you could conceivably vote for?
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Post by Khunanup on Jul 17, 2015 21:15:53 GMT
She certainly found us all easier to get on with and at most is the wettest of wet Tories and is certainly more in tune with us than mainstream Tory thinking. Still, I've just spoken to her and she just didn't want to be out on a limb. C'est la vie. "She didn't want to be out on a limb...." and she joined the LDs. It has taken me days to quell the mirth. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Er no, she didn't want to be out on a limb after she was not reselected so rejoined the Tories. You did actually read the story properly I presume and saw which way the defection was in? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2015 21:20:16 GMT
Now I realise why some non-aligned users are grey and some are dark blue. Only Kris can make usernames grey. Was it a tough decision after 15 years of membership? Are there any other parties you could conceivably vote for? I am a LibDem. I am not a Farron LibDem. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jul 17, 2015 21:22:32 GMT
"She didn't want to be out on a limb...." and she joined the LDs. It has taken me days to quell the mirth. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Er no, she didn't want to be out on a limb after she was not reselected so rejoined the Tories. You did actually read the story properly I presume and saw which way the defection was in? Bang to rights K. I didn't read it properly. I withdraw with apology. |
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Post by Khunanup on Jul 17, 2015 21:24:36 GMT
Now I realise why some non-aligned users are grey and some are dark blue. Only Kris can make usernames grey. Was it a tough decision after 15 years of membership? Are there any other parties you could conceivably vote for? I am a LibDem. I am not a Farron LibDem. As I said to the nth degree while Clegg was leader to people who said things like that, the party is far far bigger of the leader. Plus in the situation we are in at the moment, the leader will be our mouthpiece but our membership will hold much more sway on policy. |
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Post by Khunanup on Jul 17, 2015 21:25:57 GMT
Er no, she didn't want to be out on a limb after she was not reselected so rejoined the Tories. You did actually read the story properly I presume and saw which way the defection was in? Bang to rights K. I didn't read it properly. I withdraw with apology. Glad to have been of assistance! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2015 22:24:12 GMT
I am a LibDem. I am not a Farron LibDem. As I said to the nth degree while Clegg was leader to people who said things like that, the party is far far bigger of the leader. Plus in the situation we are in at the moment, the leader will be our mouthpiece but our membership will hold much more sway on policy. Nick Clegg wasn't -- and isn't -- a homophobic anti-abortion right-wing nutjob. Tim Farron is. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jul 17, 2015 22:40:26 GMT
I am a LibDem. I am not a Farron LibDem. As I said to the nth degree while Clegg was leader to people who said things like that, the party is far far bigger of the leader. Plus in the situation we are in at the moment, the leader will be our mouthpiece but our membership will hold much more sway on policy. Does the membership know that it's was the membership's decision to support a Conservative-led government, to increase student fees, to reduce housing benefits, to promote a sticking-plaster bolt-on to FPTP, to increase VAT. I'm not sure that's a membership I feel comfortable with, especially as I thought that we in the membership were the ones telling the leadership not to be doing those things. Yes, that has to be balanced against, the membership apparently, getting the Conservatives to increase tax threshold to 10K, to stop erosion of civil liberties. I suppose as the membership, activist and elected member base has been culled of the people who disagreed with the direction the party was taking nationally it naturally became dominated by people who agreed with the direction the party was taking. It will be interesting to see what direction the new membership takes the party. |
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Post by iain on Jul 17, 2015 22:46:17 GMT
As I said to the nth degree while Clegg was leader to people who said things like that, the party is far far bigger of the leader. Plus in the situation we are in at the moment, the leader will be our mouthpiece but our membership will hold much more sway on policy. Nick Clegg wasn't -- and isn't -- a homophobic anti-abortion right-wing nutjob. Tim Farron is. I'm not sure many could agree with you on 'right-wing'! I don't see a problem with him being anti-abortion so long as he doesn't wish to restrict it further by law (indeed, that is my position). Furthermore, Gordon Birtwistle (who I believe you campaigned for) could far more easily be described as 'anti-gay' than Farron. |
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Post by maxque on Jul 17, 2015 22:46:48 GMT
As I said to the nth degree while Clegg was leader to people who said things like that, the party is far far bigger of the leader. Plus in the situation we are in at the moment, the leader will be our mouthpiece but our membership will hold much more sway on policy. Nick Clegg wasn't -- and isn't -- a homophobic anti-abortion right-wing nutjob. Tim Farron is. Khunanup, I suspect your party is better off without someone whose views and opinions have no relationship to reality. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2015 7:27:18 GMT
What's so wrong with being anti-abortion? It is a legitimate, indeed, mainstream viewpoint. The only people who are for it have already been born.
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 18, 2015 9:35:29 GMT
Now I realise why some non-aligned users are grey and some are dark blue. Only Kris can make usernames grey. Was it a tough decision after 15 years of membership? Are there any other parties you could conceivably vote for? I am a LibDem. I am not a Farron LibDem. In that case, can't you go light yellow like iainbhx and DW have done? |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 18, 2015 9:46:35 GMT
When did Iain do that? Was it before Farron got elected (I know he said he would leave if/when Farron were elected)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2015 9:49:06 GMT
When did Iain do that? Was it before Farron got elected (I know he said he would leave if/when Farron were elected) Certainly well before Farron got elected. Not sure if it was before or after the GE. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2015 10:49:48 GMT
When did Iain do that? Was it before Farron got elected (I know he said he would leave if/when Farron were elected) Before. I note a recent Brum councillor resident here has become "semi-detached", as it were..... Don't get your hopes up. I am merely with having a certain problem with my membership renewal. I have been out campaigning for the LibDems every weekend this year and will be out this weekend. I'm not officially a member of the Conservative Party, but I still happily sport their colour. Each to their own, I suppose. |
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Post by Khunanup on Jul 18, 2015 12:35:45 GMT
As I said to the nth degree while Clegg was leader to people who said things like that, the party is far far bigger of the leader. Plus in the situation we are in at the moment, the leader will be our mouthpiece but our membership will hold much more sway on policy. Nick Clegg wasn't -- and isn't -- a homophobic anti-abortion right-wing nutjob. Tim Farron is. Perhaps you need to talk this over with your good friend Tricky... |
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Post by Khunanup on Jul 18, 2015 12:47:27 GMT
As I said to the nth degree while Clegg was leader to people who said things like that, the party is far far bigger of the leader. Plus in the situation we are in at the moment, the leader will be our mouthpiece but our membership will hold much more sway on policy. Does the membership know that it's was the membership's decision to support a Conservative-led government, to increase student fees, to reduce housing benefits, to promote a sticking-plaster bolt-on to FPTP, to increase VAT. I'm not sure that's a membership I feel comfortable with, especially as I thought that we in the membership were the ones telling the leadership not to be doing those things. Yes, that has to be balanced against, the membership apparently, getting the Conservatives to increase tax threshold to 10K, to stop erosion of civil liberties. I suppose as the membership, activist and elected member base has been culled of the people who disagreed with the direction the party was taking nationally it naturally became dominated by people who agreed with the direction the party was taking. It will be interesting to see what direction the new membership takes the party. I think we're talking cross purposes here. By our very reality now, the membership will far more be the driving force on policy etc than the leadership or the parliamentary party so I'm looking forward. From 2010 until about 2013 the leadership/parliamentary party did essentially ride roughshod over the membership's policy decisions then it finally understood how to act as a minority governing party by which time, as we all know, the damage was done. Despite the many defections, there are plenty of people who stuck with the party throughout the coalition who had no time for it and Clegg and indeed criticised the coalition by subscribed to the view I put forward above that our situation then was transitory (ie it wouldn't last forever) and because their loyalty to the party and liberalism there was no reason to leave. In my party locally we certainly had a large proportion of those types, and I know we have been a more successful local party during coalition which probably made retaining members easier, but even so many members have been through severe adversity before so the reality of coalition didn't put them off. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jul 18, 2015 19:17:15 GMT
As I said to the nth degree while Clegg was leader to people who said things like that, the party is far far bigger of the leader. Plus in the situation we are in at the moment, the leader will be our mouthpiece but our membership will hold much more sway on policy. Nick Clegg wasn't -- and isn't -- a homophobic anti-abortion right-wing nutjob. Tim Farron is. Meanwhile the Daily Fail reported Farron's election as "Lib Dems lurch to the left".  |
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