Khunanup
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Post by Khunanup on May 18, 2020 12:08:10 GMT
With defectors who have such a history, you do wonder why their new choice of party would ever accept them. It's impossible to log but I wonder how many councillors offering to defect have ever been turned down. Though Portsmouth is quite well known for defections, we've turned down a couple of sitting councillors who've wanted to defect to us in the last ten years, with very good reason...
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Post by nick10 on May 18, 2020 14:05:56 GMT
The three LibDems Councillors for Weybridge Riverside on Elmbridge BC - Andrew Davis, Vicki Macleod and Ashley Tilling - have left the LibDem Group to sit as independents.
Former parliamentary candidate Andrew Davis was, until today, Deputy Leader of the Council and LibDem Group Leader. He has been replaced as Group Leader by Claygate’s Mary Marshall and rumours suggest he did not go entirely by choice. Davis has not been replaced as Cabinet Member for Transport, with that role being assumed by the RA Leader of the Council.
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Post by pl on May 18, 2020 15:22:49 GMT
Sitting councillors - interesting question. I certainly know of one who applied to join Labour after losing his seat - a LibDem. He was refused. He later joined UKIP, which says it all. actually very pleased to have read about that Mike, it's often both risky and wrong to accept defectors, though some are very good acquisitions. There's a Momentum guy in my CLP who was previously active in the Greens and he is a brilliant organiser as well as being extremely sensible politically, a real find for us. The trick is to be able to tell the difference between someone who's worth having and someone who isn't like the bloke you've told us about. Indeed, reminds me of my all time favourite defection. Cllr Ahmed Hussein Respect to Conservative. He was a real find for TH Conservatives. I think he was the only Respect cllr of that vintage to on my defect once!! I lost count of the number of defections from that council. I think one person managed eight different parties over eight years....
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Post by Merseymike on May 18, 2020 16:49:57 GMT
It's impossible to log but I wonder how many councillors offering to defect have ever been turned down. well we had someone join the Labour Party in my constituency whom I successfully urged should be expelled almost immediately. She had previously been a BNP member and she was also refused membership of UKIP for the same reason. I think she joined the Conservatives but they expelled her too. Very unusually for a BNP member she is a non-white woman. There was one local councillor of less obnoxious views who defected 3 times between the LDs and the Conservatives (once when he was Mayor). Had he applied to join Labour we would as a CLP have declined to accept him. I used to know him. Actually he nearly did apply to join Labour....didn't he stand as an Independent in that by election last year?
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Post by Merseymike on May 18, 2020 17:37:44 GMT
I used to know him. Actually he nearly did apply to join Labour....didn't he stand as an Independent in that by election last year? the (now ex-)councillor concerned is called Marc Cranfield-Adams. I don't recall him standing as an independent, but then it is quite hard to keep up with his political gymnastics. As most serial defectors do, he ended up becoming something of a laughing stock, whereas in his first incarnation as a Tory councillor in a rather LD-inclined ward he had a very good reputation for hard work and responsiveness. He certainly hasn't applied to join the Labour Party that I'm aware of nor can I remember which party he currently supports! The non-white BNP member may be known to some who frequent social media. Yes. It was Marc I knew though we lost touch a long time back. He was a Tory when I knew him - very much a High Church High Tory. He didn't apply to join Labour but it was certainly something he thought about but he felt he could do more for gay rights sticking to the Tories. He did stand as an Independent in North Richmond in the by election. I lost touch with him before he joined the LDs
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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 18, 2020 18:13:02 GMT
I used to know him. Actually he nearly did apply to join Labour....didn't he stand as an Independent in that by election last year? the (now ex-)councillor concerned is called Marc Cranfield-Adams. I don't recall him standing as an independent, but then it is quite hard to keep up with his political gymnastics. As most serial defectors do, he ended up becoming something of a laughing stock, whereas in his first incarnation as a Tory councillor in a rather LD-inclined ward he had a very good reputation for hard work and responsiveness. He certainly hasn't applied to join the Labour Party that I'm aware of nor can I remember which party he currently supports! The non-white BNP member may be known to some who frequent social media. I think I know who you mean if she's ethnic Chinese but can't remember her name
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Post by iainbhx on May 18, 2020 20:41:52 GMT
I think I know who you mean if she's ethnic Chinese but can't remember her name Claire Khaw. Malaysian but could be of Chinese rather than Malay heritage. My cousin who is a Rabbi seems to relish arguing with her and calls her Cliar. Oh her. Chinese and Malay heritage. She is, or at least was, completely and utterly hatstand. She may have been on a journey, of course. I forget the details, but basically it was OK to have brothels as long as they were run by men but single mothers should be whipped, in public. Anti-abortion but it was OK to "dispose" of a disabled child. That sort of level of contradictions.
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Post by Merseymike on May 18, 2020 20:57:24 GMT
Wasn't she the one who wanted the moral teachings of the Qu'ran implemented though claimed to be secular, and wanted a political party to oppose the matriarchy?
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mike
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Post by mike on May 18, 2020 23:03:41 GMT
This is Claire Khaw. I reckon that strange Whig chappie from Scotland would.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 3:16:20 GMT
Imagine a by-election with her as an independent candidate.
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Post by iainbhx on May 19, 2020 4:57:06 GMT
Imagine a by-election with her as an independent candidate. It would be just like Stoke-on-Trent Central with vexatious litigant Barbara Fruitloop-Racist, sorry Fielding-Morriss. There'd be a sad little freepost which would have been censored by the Post Office, acting for which ever conspiracy Claire holds dear.
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Post by mike on May 19, 2020 16:11:11 GMT
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Post by mike on May 19, 2020 16:16:41 GMT
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Post by casualobserver on May 19, 2020 19:35:57 GMT
I mis-read the first two occurrences of the key word in this story as “defection”. The story therefore made little sense to me until I started again from the beginning.
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Post by london(ex)tory on May 19, 2020 21:27:59 GMT
I understand Robin Turbefield (Bridge ward, Redbridge) is to rejoin the Conservative group after becoming an independent last year around the time of the euro elections thanks to Theresa May’s abject failure to deliver Brexit.
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mike
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Post by mike on May 19, 2020 22:39:16 GMT
I mis-read the first two occurrences of the key word in this story as “defection”. The story therefore made little sense to me until I started again from the beginning. You won't have been the only one. It's amazing what the mind sees when you are expecting it.
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Post by mike on May 19, 2020 22:43:01 GMT
Aberdeen City......defecation Aberdeenshire ......defections. Not same thing. BTW, there is at least one more de facto defection from the Aberdeenshire council SNP group, perhaps two, and possibly one more from Aligned Indy to unaligned, but they have not done whatever is essential to cause the CEO to have the website altered. Basically, it is melting down. Unlike Aberdeen City which is merely bubbling away. Well the newspaper story did say the defecator had left the SNP to sit as an Independent. Or was it that the defector had left the SNP to shit as an Independent? Either way, he's shitting on his now former colleagues.
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Post by mike on May 19, 2020 22:45:49 GMT
\ Do you mind? that was curfewed on this site till I got home. Independents not seeking re-election are now the largest group on K&M area committee. Maybe if you weren't hanging around in people's gardens, you'd be home sooner? The lack of any denial about Claire Khaw is duly noted. 😉
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Post by mike on May 19, 2020 23:07:39 GMT
I hear you're a racist now father.
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Crimson King
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Post by Crimson King on May 20, 2020 9:04:00 GMT
Aberdeen City......defecation Aberdeenshire ......defections. Not same thing. BTW, there is at least one more de facto defection from the Aberdeenshire council SNP group, perhaps two, and possibly one more from Aligned Indy to unaligned, but they have not done whatever is essential to cause the CEO to have the website altered. Basically, it is melting down. Unlike Aberdeen City which is merely bubbling away. Well the newspaper story did say the defecator had left the SNP to sit as an Independent. Or was it that the defector had left the SNP to shit as an Independent? Either way, he's shitting on his now former colleagues. that’s the turd time that joke has been made
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