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Post by Merseymike on Feb 23, 2020 11:21:21 GMT
I really don't think what things look like are what should matter. You haven't been here long but I've thought for a long time that broad church catch all parties don't work. So the current party system doesn't appeal to me anyway. If Labour decides to revert to centrism, then no reason for me to bother with it. In the future I hope for a time where we can have an electoral system which allows people the opportunity to vote for parties they believe in,not just because they are marginally preferable to the other lot. A choice between centrist Labour and the Tories is no choice at all. If you believe that it's important to change our electoral system then to effect such a change you really need to get involved with a political party which, through electoral success, has some chance of influencing decisions about changes to our electoral system. Bleating from the sidelines achieves precisely nothing. That can happen without having to be an active part of a political party....indeed, the work I did in pressure groups proved far more effective than shoring up and excusing governments which I at best supported partially. The problem with parties is that despite the rhetoric they end up being led by MPs and so what members can do is fairly limited. Electoral reform is most likely should Labour fail to get a majority and another hung parliament emerges. Very high chance of that in the future. Of course all this assumes that I still have faith in the possibility of reformism. Which I don't, if I'm honest.
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Post by The Bishop on Feb 23, 2020 12:21:10 GMT
Which, at least, is rooted in truth. Unlike Bish’s ramblings. Excuse me, but what??
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Post by ricmk on Feb 24, 2020 14:18:48 GMT
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Post by BucksDucks on Feb 24, 2020 15:20:33 GMT
Good news indeed. That should hopefully provide us and him a boost going into the elections this year.
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Feb 26, 2020 11:26:11 GMT
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 26, 2020 13:17:16 GMT
Another victim 'outed' as a human being doing human type things. Bring on the robot on-message grey lifeless politicians.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 26, 2020 13:27:52 GMT
It's disappointing that Councillor Shotton actually represents Connor's Quay
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2020 14:06:37 GMT
It's disappointing that Councillor Shotton actually represents Connor's Quay Connah's Quay?
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 26, 2020 14:12:54 GMT
It's disappointing that Councillor Shotton actually represents Connor's Quay Connah's Quay? I blame autocorrect
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Post by Merseymike on Feb 26, 2020 14:13:27 GMT
Another victim 'outed' as a human being doing human type things. Bring on the robot on-message grey lifeless politicians. Though it's the fact it was with a paid member of staff involved, who might have found refusal difficult. There are different boundaries in the workplace
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Post by finsobruce on Feb 26, 2020 14:20:59 GMT
I blame autocorrect This is a Quay point in your defence.
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Post by timmullen1 on Feb 27, 2020 20:38:55 GMT
Not sure if there are defections as yet, but at least five City Independents on Stoke City Council, including the Group Leader/Deputy Council Leader and one other Cabinet member, have joined with Labour and voted down the budget this evening. Worth following Phil Corrigan (@philc2010) on Twitter for a thread of the meeting.
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Post by iang on Feb 27, 2020 21:48:42 GMT
Not sure if there are defections as yet, but at least five City Independents on Stoke City Council, including the Group Leader/Deputy Council Leader and one other Cabinet member, have joined with Labour and voted down the budget this evening. Worth following Phil Corrigan (@philc2010) on Twitter for a thread of the meeting. Do I understand that correctly - that the Deputy Leader of the Council voted down the budget his own leadership group was responsible for?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 22:19:29 GMT
Not sure if there are defections as yet, but at least five City Independents on Stoke City Council, including the Group Leader/Deputy Council Leader and one other Cabinet member, have joined with Labour and voted down the budget this evening. Worth following Phil Corrigan (@philc2010) on Twitter for a thread of the meeting. Do I understand that correctly - that the Deputy Leader of the Council voted down the budget his own leadership group was responsible for? well I have heard it said that they do things different in Stoke.
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Post by jamie on Feb 28, 2020 0:04:26 GMT
Not sure if there are defections as yet, but at least five City Independents on Stoke City Council, including the Group Leader/Deputy Council Leader and one other Cabinet member, have joined with Labour and voted down the budget this evening. Worth following Phil Corrigan (@philc2010) on Twitter for a thread of the meeting. Stoke gonna Stoke.
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Post by timmullen1 on Feb 28, 2020 1:11:35 GMT
Not sure if there are defections as yet, but at least five City Independents on Stoke City Council, including the Group Leader/Deputy Council Leader and one other Cabinet member, have joined with Labour and voted down the budget this evening. Worth following Phil Corrigan (@philc2010) on Twitter for a thread of the meeting. Do I understand that correctly - that the Deputy Leader of the Council voted down the budget his own leadership group was responsible for? Her own leadership not his, but yes. Doing a little digging it appears to be a shot across the bows at the Conservative majority over lack of City Independent inclusion in the process, but, having made their point, most will support when they have another go next week.
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Post by iang on Feb 28, 2020 8:36:30 GMT
Do I understand that correctly - that the Deputy Leader of the Council voted down the budget his own leadership group was responsible for? Her own leadership not his, but yes. Doing a little digging it appears to be a shot across the bows at the Conservative majority over lack of City Independent inclusion in the process, but, having made their point, most will support when they have another go next week. Thanks - not sure why I made the assumption that the leader of the Stoke city Independents would be male....
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Post by timmullen1 on Feb 28, 2020 9:41:57 GMT
Her own leadership not his, but yes. Doing a little digging it appears to be a shot across the bows at the Conservative majority over lack of City Independent inclusion in the process, but, having made their point, most will support when they have another go next week. Thanks - not sure why I made the assumption that the leader of the Stoke city Independents would be male.... I could give you the “I forgot her predecessor lost his seat last year” reason...
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Mar 6, 2020 14:55:06 GMT
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 6, 2020 14:59:11 GMT
They now wish to be known as the 'Dowlais and Shortness of Breath Independent Independents'.
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