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Post by seanf on Nov 23, 2018 9:07:44 GMT
If you get a result like Bush Hill Park, there's usually going to be a local reason for it. Something the Labour council has done has very much got up the noses of local residents, or the council is generally very unpopular. It's noteworthy that Labour's result in the May elections in that ward was one of their weakest ones in the borough. Zack was rather over-ambitious in hoping to get nominated for Richmond Park. He really likes standing in elections. (A reminder to those who don't know, we are related.) The cycle lanes that were created in the ward are unpopular. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2018 9:08:46 GMT
The government is collapsing, yet something is preventing Conservative voters from even having a mild flirt with Labour at the local level. It’s not hard to see possible reasons really? I live 70 miles away from Enfield so ive no clue what local factors were in play. If youve some local insight please share |
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Post by tonyhill on Nov 23, 2018 9:18:00 GMT
People who switch parties because they weren't selected to fight a particular election can't have much ideological commitment in the first place.
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Post by eamonn on Nov 23, 2018 9:18:50 GMT
If you get a result like Bush Hill Park, there's usually going to be a local reason for it. Something the Labour council has done has very much got up the noses of local residents, or the council is generally very unpopular. It's noteworthy that Labour's result in the May elections in that ward was one of their weakest ones in the borough. Zack was rather over-ambitious in hoping to get nominated for Richmond Park. He really likes standing in elections. (A reminder to those who don't know, we are related.) I didn't spot anyone from the Green Party at the count. Or indeed during the election. It is a bit like someone who declares themselves a big fan of opera, who keeps buying tickets to Covent Garden but doesn't ever actually go to watch the productions. No party wastes time on campaigning for paper candidates when work to secure future election wins might be risked. Obviously the count is more interesting and important than the election itself to some by-election geeks. I always make sure that I attend the counts for Green Party paper candidates in Sheffield as the election agent for all wards. But they are often held late night and there is little information of use to be gained in wards you have not seriously contested and will not be seriously contesting anytime soon. |
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Post by timmullen1 on Nov 23, 2018 9:32:21 GMT
It’s not hard to see possible reasons really? I live 70 miles away from Enfield so ive no clue what local factors were in play. If youve some local insight please share Andrew’s Previews (link earlier in the thread) gives a few possible reasons. On Labour’s side there’s the MPs son (a councillor at the time) pleading guilty to possession with intent to supply Class A drugs but remaining in her employ, on the Conservative side the suspension of another Bush Hill Park Ward councillor for making racist comments in a council meeting. However andrewteale explains, and has some historical context, in the aforementioned Previews. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Nov 23, 2018 9:34:37 GMT
It’s not hard to see possible reasons really? I live 70 miles away from Enfield so ive no clue what local factors were in play. If youve some local insight please share I don't think that comment was specific to Enfield. So my answer is Magic Grandad. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2018 9:35:36 GMT
really? I live 70 miles away from Enfield so ive no clue what local factors were in play. If youve some local insight please share I don't think that comment was specific to Enfield. So my answer is Magic Grandad. because thats all they care about ofc |
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Post by jacoblamsden on Nov 23, 2018 9:49:02 GMT
It’s not hard to see possible reasons really? I live 70 miles away from Enfield so ive no clue what local factors were in play. If youve some local insight please share I know this neck of the woods relatively well and actually the result is less surprising - the ward is really very similar in terms of wealth/demographics to safe Tory wards in Enfield such as Highlands and Cockfosters - so if anything, it is the last two election results which seemed very strange. I have a friend in the ward who always resents the fact that BHP is the only ward in the Edmonton seat West of the A10, and always feels the local MP also neglects it somewhat - perhaps this encourages the Conservative vote more widely in the same way Tory success in Chingford was always explained by Labour in Waltham Forest being too Walthamstow/Leyton focused? |
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Post by finsobruce on Nov 23, 2018 10:02:41 GMT
really? I live 70 miles away from Enfield so ive no clue what local factors were in play. If youve some local insight please share I know this neck of the woods relatively well and actually the result is less surprising - the ward is really very similar in terms of wealth/demographics to safe Tory wards in Enfield such as Highlands and Cockfosters - so if anything, it is the last two election results which seemed very strange. I have a friend in the ward who always resents the fact that BHP is the only ward in the Edmonton seat West of the A10, and always feels the local MP also neglects it somewhat - perhaps this encourages the Conservative vote more widely in the same way Tory success in Chingford was always explained by Labour in Waltham Forest being too Walthamstow/Leyton focused? Indeed. I'm just down the road at Turnpike Lane. I seem to remember that this ward was moved into Edmonton as part of boundary changes a few decades back and is really an anomaly in that constituency.
While Labour certainly does better in those wards that you mention than it used to they should always be Tory and clearly have a strong enough Tory activist base to mount a very successful campaign. Like some of the comrades in Haringey I suspect some in Edmonton have got to thinking that they can win every ward, everywhere, in the borough (and London generally) and are quite put out when this doesn't happen. |
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Post by andrewp on Nov 23, 2018 10:04:09 GMT
really? I live 70 miles away from Enfield so ive no clue what local factors were in play. If youve some local insight please share I don't think that comment was specific to Enfield. So my answer is Magic Grandad. Comments by John McDonell this week that he couldn’t be friends with Conservatives is not exactly something that will entice Conservative voters. In my view Labour are not pursuing a coherent strategy ( either consciously or accidentally) to attract Conservative voters so it can’t be a surprise that even with the current state of the government that few are prepared to consider Labour. |
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Post by ColinJ on Nov 23, 2018 10:04:39 GMT
ZAck Polanski, the Green candidate for Lancaster Gate, was in the Lib Dems two years ago. He went for the Lib Dem nomination in the Richmond Park by-election, didn't get it, and by all accounts didn't take it well. Quite a pity he wasn't selected..... we would then have seen Zack vs. Zac. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2018 10:09:51 GMT
I don't think that comment was specific to Enfield. So my answer is Magic Grandad. Comments by John McDonell this week that he couldn’t be friends with Conservatives is not exactly something that will entice Conservative voters. In my view Labour are not pursuing a coherent strategy ( either consciously or accidentally) to attract Conservative voters so it can’t be a surprise that even with the current state of the government that few are prepared to consider Labour. though he is friends with Tories. Jeremy, John, Andrew Mitchell & David Davies organised a visit to Guantanamo to lobby for the release of the last Brit there |
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Post by finsobruce on Nov 23, 2018 10:11:33 GMT
Comments by John McDonell this week that he couldn’t be friends with Conservatives is not exactly something that will entice Conservative voters. In my view Labour are not pursuing a coherent strategy ( either consciously or accidentally) to attract Conservative voters so it can’t be a surprise that even with the current state of the government that few are prepared to consider Labour. though he is friends with Tories. Jeremy, John, Andrew Mitchell & David Davies organised a visit to Guantanamo to lobby for the release of the last Brit there Which therefore makes it all the sillier to make that sort of statement (and others). |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 23, 2018 10:12:12 GMT
I lived in Bush Hill Park briefly when I first moved to London. It is quite different from the majority of Edmonton, even from lower Edmonton (the more northern part), and really feels more like a part of Southgate. The Great Cambridge Road is a major dividing line. But I think it was always part of Edmonton, from when it became a Municipal Borough in 1894.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2018 10:14:55 GMT
though he is friends with Tories. Jeremy, John, Andrew Mitchell & David Davies organised a visit to Guantanamo to lobby for the release of the last Brit there Which therefore makes it all the sillier to make that sort of statement (and others). I could be wrong but wasn't it that he said he couldn't forgive Tory MPs for pursuing policies which he saw as pushing people into poverty |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 23, 2018 10:15:36 GMT
Comments by John McDonell this week that he couldn’t be friends with Conservatives is not exactly something that will entice Conservative voters. In my view Labour are not pursuing a coherent strategy ( either consciously or accidentally) to attract Conservative voters so it can’t be a surprise that even with the current state of the government that few are prepared to consider Labour. though he is friends with Tories. Jeremy, John, Andrew Mitchell & David Davies organised a visit to Guantanamo to lobby for the release of the last Brit there Not a 'Brit' |
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Post by andrewp on Nov 23, 2018 10:17:25 GMT
Which therefore makes it all the sillier to make that sort of statement (and others). I could be wrong but wasn't it that he said he couldn't forgive Tory MPs for pursuing policies which he saw as pushing people into poverty He did say that, but his general tone is not one that will attract floating Conservative voters. It’s one that will go down well with existing fans. |
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Post by andrewp on Nov 23, 2018 10:18:31 GMT
Which therefore makes it all the sillier to make that sort of statement (and others). I could be wrong but wasn't it that he said he couldn't forgive Tory MPs for pursuing policies which he saw as pushing people into poverty He did say that, but his general tone is not one that will attract floating Conservative voters. It’s one that will go down well with existing fans, which may answer the original question about why Conservative voters are not being lured across. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2018 10:29:43 GMT
I could be wrong but wasn't it that he said he couldn't forgive Tory MPs for pursuing policies which he saw as pushing people into poverty He did say that, but his general tone is not one that will attract floating Conservative voters. It’s one that will go down well with existing fans, which may answer the original question about why Conservative voters are not being lured across. do you genuinely think the average voter cares? There are a few Tories that vote for us locally if I canvass them this year and they tell me otherwise Ill hold my hands up but until then Ill remain unconvinced |
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Post by heslingtonian on Nov 23, 2018 10:40:05 GMT
I think the choice of candidate may have helped the Conservatives in Enfield. The Conservative candidate is a former Parliamentary by-election candidate who is very experienced and also has a wide support network which was in evidence during the campaign. A good candidate selection for the Conservatives.
Also there is some evidence that the Conservative vote in Enfield is slightly more durable than other politically similar North London boroughs such as Redbridge and Ealing where the Conservative decline has been much more rapid.
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