J.G.Harston
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Post by J.G.Harston on Oct 16, 2018 19:43:37 GMT
In another thread there's a discussion on having a UN elected assembly. Taking inspiration from the Rhodes' Imperial Parliament thread I thought I'd have a go with election results for a UN elected assembly.
As global Electoral Commissioner, I've decided the assembly shall have: one seat per member plus one seat per 20,000,000 population,
giving an assembly of around 400, and guranteeing small countries have a member.
Now, the rest is bigger speculation. That gives the UK at 21st largest country only 4 seats. I've started an initial spreadsheet of the top five countries and tried to do a best guess at assigning members to groupings.
Country Pop'n Seats|Comm|Soc|Lab|Nat|CenLib|Cons|RghtLib|FarRght|
China 1,403m 71 | 71 | | | | | | | |
India 1,324m 67 | | |26 | 2 | 5 | 34 | | |
USA 322m 17 | | | | | 8 | 9 | | |
Indonesia 261m 14 | | 1 | 3 | 4 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 2 |
Brazil 207m 11 | | 3 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 1 | 1 | 1 |
and...
UK 65m 4 | | | 1 | 1 | | 2 | | |
ok, edited to get the table readable.
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Post by Izzyeviel on Oct 16, 2018 19:47:44 GMT
What about allocating them by the size of the UN contribution they make like they do in the WTO?
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Post by J.G.Harston on Oct 16, 2018 19:59:03 GMT
What about allocating them by the size of the UN contribution they make like they do in the WTO? What, buy seats on an assembly? I'm shocked I tell you!  Would you allocate seats by the budgeted membership fee or the actual paid membership fee. The USA is the largest paymaster to the UN at $500m, but is regulalrly late, they still haven't paid last year's dues yet. Not that the US is just to blame, at the last count only 1/3 of the UN's membership fees had been paid. Though, based on fees, the UK would have 18 out of 400 seats instead of 4, with the USA on 88, Japan on 39, China on 32, Germany on 26 and France on 19. |
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Post by Izzyeviel on Oct 16, 2018 20:05:12 GMT
Is there a website with these contributions btw?
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Post by J.G.Harston on Oct 16, 2018 20:18:26 GMT
Going by fees due would give me:
Country Fees Seats|Comm|Soc|Lab|Nat|CenLib|Cons|RghtLib|FarRght|
China 7.92% 32 | 32 | | | | | | | |
India 0.72% 3 | | | 1 | | | 2 | | |
USA 22.00% 88 | | | 1 | 4 | 36 | 42 | 5 | |
Brazil 3.82% 15 | | 4 | 2 | 1 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 |
Russia 3.08% 12 | | | |12 | | | | |
Japan 9.68% 39 | | | | 3 | 5 | 5 | 25 | 1 |
UK 4.46% 18 | | | 6 | 3 | 1 | 8 | | |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Oct 16, 2018 20:19:39 GMT
Is there a website with these contributions btw? what what I cribbed from. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2018 15:24:10 GMT
Do you envisage a uniform electoral system across all member states, or can they decide this themselves? Presumably the UK with four seats would be one constituency elected by d'Hont or STV? Would (presumably) the SNP really get a seat in that scenario?
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Oct 17, 2018 15:26:18 GMT
As global Electoral Commissioner, I've decided the assembly shall have: one seat per member plus one seat per 20,000,000 population, giving an assembly of around 400, and guranteeing small countries have a member. Don't you think a 400 member assembly would be tad too small for a legislative body of this scope? Personally I'd go for a 1000 member assembly for a worldwide body... |
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Post by catking on Oct 18, 2018 10:20:13 GMT
What's more fun is to speculate the likely European Parliament style global groupings for the assembly and try and work out which one would be the most powerful.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 12:38:27 GMT
What's more fun is to speculate the likely European Parliament style global groupings for the assembly and try and work out which one would be the most powerful. I guess a good starting point would be to look at what the largest single parties would be. At present, I reckon: 1. Chinese Communist Party 2. Bharatiya Janata Party 3. Indian National Congress 4. US Republicans 5. US Democrats 6. Awami League 7. United Russia 8. All Progressives Congress (Nigeria) 9. People's Democratic Party (Nigeria) 10. Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf The similarities between the BJP and the Republicans, and indeed the Congress and the Democrats, are uncanny in many ways, but would they form parliamentary groups together? And to what extent would e.g. mainstream European centre-right and centre-left parties join with them? |
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Post by greenchristian on Oct 19, 2018 16:01:28 GMT
As global Electoral Commissioner, I've decided the assembly shall have: one seat per member plus one seat per 20,000,000 population,
Just to clarify the population-based seats, is this 1 extra seat for each 20,000,000 within a country, or is this one seat per 20,000,000 people on the planet, allocated proportionately between countries? It won't necessarily make a huge difference to the final numbers, but it will make some difference. |
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