johng
Labour
Posts: 4,532
|
YouGov
Mar 30, 2021 10:47:42 GMT
Post by johng on Mar 30, 2021 10:47:42 GMT
|
|
mboy
Liberal
Listen. Think. Speak.
Posts: 22,455
Member is Online
|
YouGov
Mar 30, 2021 10:49:00 GMT
Post by mboy on Mar 30, 2021 10:49:00 GMT
That's only the 3rd time the LDs have hit 8% with Yougov in the last year, when they dropped off the Brexit bounce.
|
|
|
Post by michaelarden on Mar 30, 2021 12:03:18 GMT
That's only the 3rd time the LDs have hit 8% with Yougov in the last year, when they dropped off the Brexit bounce. They usually creep up in the run up to local elections as their many local campaigns make voters realise they're still some sort of force. I suspect with the amount of elections in May pretty much everyone somewhere is getting bar charted.
|
|
|
YouGov
Mar 30, 2021 12:33:43 GMT
via mobile
Post by jm on Mar 30, 2021 12:33:43 GMT
How bad does it have to get for Labour before Starmer resigns or faces a leadership challenge? Especially as his selling point to the membership/PLP was making Labour more 'electable'
Personally I think Andy Burnham is the only hope for Labour at the moment. As a so-called 'red wall' former Labour supporter, I would happily vote Labour again with Burnham at the helm. I supported Starmer but he has blown his chance.
|
|
Merseymike
Independent
Posts: 39,268
Member is Online
|
YouGov
Mar 30, 2021 12:36:43 GMT
via mobile
Post by Merseymike on Mar 30, 2021 12:36:43 GMT
How bad does it have to get for Labour before Starmer resigns or faces a leadership challenge? Especially as his selling point to the membership/PLP was making Labour more 'electable' Personally I think Andy Burnham is the only hope for Labour at the moment. As a so-called 'red wall' former Labour supporter, I would happily vote Labour again with Burnham at the helm. I supported Starmer but he has blown his chance. It would not surprise me at all if there was a by election in a safe NW seat should it become clear that the Starmer experiment wasn't delivering the goods, in order for Burnham to get back into Parliament
|
|
CatholicLeft
Labour
2032 posts until I was "accidentally" deleted.
Posts: 6,320
|
Post by CatholicLeft on Mar 30, 2021 12:40:08 GMT
YouGov are a bit of an outlier right now, so let us see.
|
|
|
Post by pragmaticidealist on Mar 30, 2021 12:43:26 GMT
I'm sure plenty of journos still have wet dreams about David Miliband parachuting into the Labour leadership.
|
|
Merseymike
Independent
Posts: 39,268
Member is Online
|
YouGov
Mar 30, 2021 12:45:25 GMT
via mobile
Post by Merseymike on Mar 30, 2021 12:45:25 GMT
YouGov are a bit of an outlier right now, so let us see. Fair enough, but this does indicate that there hasn't been a great deal of movement since the general election. Neither Corbyn nor Brexit can be blamed and they were both cited as reasons why Labours vote dropped. It is not unreasonable to have expected rather more of a recovery
|
|
mboy
Liberal
Listen. Think. Speak.
Posts: 22,455
Member is Online
|
YouGov
Mar 30, 2021 12:46:02 GMT
Post by mboy on Mar 30, 2021 12:46:02 GMT
I'm sure plenty of journos still have wet dreams about David Miliband parachuting into the Labour leadership. TBF I dream about that as well
|
|
iang
Lib Dem
Posts: 1,551
|
Post by iang on Mar 30, 2021 12:47:45 GMT
To be fair to both Ed and to Keir Starmer, we haven't had "normal politics" for 12 months - no by-elections, no local elections, not even local by-elections, everything meeting remotely etc - it's fairly difficult to see what impact they could have made in the last 12 months, it will be the next 12 months that counts, especially as all the possible consequences of both Brexit and Covid / lockdown start to impact
|
|
timmullen1
Labour
Closing account as BossMan declines to respond to messages seeking support.
Posts: 11,823
|
Post by timmullen1 on Mar 30, 2021 12:54:49 GMT
There seems to be too many people in this thread falling into the trap of taking one opinion poll, or even one pollster, and ignoring everything else, rather than looking at “the big picture”; whilst I realise there’s separate threads for separate pollsters, why are we giving YouGov’s poll more credibility than Opinium on Sunday, which had a 4% Conservative lead nationally, a turnaround from a 26% Conservative lead exactly 12 months earlier?
|
|
Merseymike
Independent
Posts: 39,268
Member is Online
|
YouGov
Mar 30, 2021 12:57:11 GMT
Post by Merseymike on Mar 30, 2021 12:57:11 GMT
To be fair to both Ed and to Keir Starmer, we haven't had "normal politics" for 12 months - no by-elections, no local elections, not even local by-elections, everything meeting remotely etc - it's fairly difficult to see what impact they could have made in the last 12 months, it will be the next 12 months that counts, especially as all the possible consequences of both Brexit and Covid / lockdown start to impact I don't see what gains can be made from any Covid fallout given that Labour only disagreed with the government on matters of minor detail. Brexit could be more interesting, but the EU haven't exactly done themselves any favours in terms of how they have come over
|
|
Merseymike
Independent
Posts: 39,268
Member is Online
|
YouGov
Mar 30, 2021 12:58:15 GMT
Post by Merseymike on Mar 30, 2021 12:58:15 GMT
I'm sure plenty of journos still have wet dreams about David Miliband parachuting into the Labour leadership. I think I'd call it a nightmare, but then, he wouldn't be any worse than Starmer.
|
|
iang
Lib Dem
Posts: 1,551
|
Post by iang on Mar 30, 2021 13:13:57 GMT
To be fair to both Ed and to Keir Starmer, we haven't had "normal politics" for 12 months - no by-elections, no local elections, not even local by-elections, everything meeting remotely etc - it's fairly difficult to see what impact they could have made in the last 12 months, it will be the next 12 months that counts, especially as all the possible consequences of both Brexit and Covid / lockdown start to impact I don't see what gains can be made from any Covid fallout given that Labour only disagreed with the government on matters of minor detail. Brexit could be more interesting, but the EU haven't exactly done themselves any favours in terms of how they have come over True, but that doesn't stop people blaming the government for the economic fall out in some months time - governments will often get the credit and the blame for things that they have no direct control over. But I think my overall point still stands - we won't know how Starmer (or Ed Davey) are doing until something like normal politics has resumed
|
|
Merseymike
Independent
Posts: 39,268
Member is Online
|
YouGov
Mar 30, 2021 13:18:40 GMT
via mobile
Post by Merseymike on Mar 30, 2021 13:18:40 GMT
I don't see what gains can be made from any Covid fallout given that Labour only disagreed with the government on matters of minor detail. Brexit could be more interesting, but the EU haven't exactly done themselves any favours in terms of how they have come over True, but that doesn't stop people blaming the government for the economic fall out in some months time - governments will often get the credit and the blame for things that they have no direct control over. But I think my overall point still stands - we won't know how Starmer (or Ed Davey) are doing until something like normal politics has resumed True. If there was a decent alternative opposition....they all left it too late for me.
|
|
WJ
Non-Aligned
Posts: 3,134
|
Post by WJ on Mar 30, 2021 14:50:47 GMT
I remember a time when journos were fawning over the idea of Dan Jarvis. His name never gets mentioned any longer, I wonder if his name will be brought up again...
|
|
|
Post by finsobruce on Mar 30, 2021 14:51:30 GMT
I remember a time when journos were fawning over the idea of Dan Jarvis. His name never gets mentioned any longer, I wonder if his name will be brought up again... Almost certainly.
|
|
jamie
Top Poster
Posts: 6,889
|
Post by jamie on Mar 30, 2021 15:25:09 GMT
Tbh I think the current polling isn’t great or terrible for either of the 2 major parties. The Conservative lead went from 12% at the GE, to an even larger landslide post-election/start of Covid, then declined and eventually reached a dead heat for a couple of months around the New Year. Given the lead is now mid single digits, and has been for a month, it’s in the zone wher nobody is really happy but also shouldn’t be too disappointed. The Tories are ahead which is good for them, but the coronavirus crisis (and a sense the government is now getting us out of it) may be inflating it. Labour are now behind which is obviously not desirable, but these are unusual circumstances and they are still a lot closer than they were at the GE. If the polling is reflected at the local elections, then it will basically be a wash.
|
|
|
YouGov
Mar 30, 2021 15:42:57 GMT
via mobile
Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 30, 2021 15:42:57 GMT
How bad does it have to get for Labour before Starmer resigns or faces a leadership challenge? Especially as his selling point to the membership/PLP was making Labour more 'electable' Personally I think Andy Burnham is the only hope for Labour at the moment. As a so-called 'red wall' former Labour supporter, I would happily vote Labour again with Burnham at the helm. I supported Starmer but he has blown his chance. It would not surprise me at all if there was a by election in a safe NW seat should it become clear that the Starmer experiment wasn't delivering the goods, in order for Burnham to get back into Parliament Rochdale? There has been much suspicion and rumour that he was effectively keeping it warm.
|
|
|
YouGov
Mar 30, 2021 15:46:25 GMT
Post by robert1 on Mar 30, 2021 15:46:25 GMT
If the polling is reflected at the local elections, then it will basically be a wash. That is only true of the 2016 contests.
The seats contested in 2017 were at a time when the Tories were upper teens in the lead.
|
|