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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 22:11:45 GMT
There's a Father Ted joke begging to be made, but it just won't come to the tip of my tongue (or fingers in this case)......
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john07
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Post by john07 on Aug 12, 2018 11:26:06 GMT
... the British Isles include both the Isle of Man and the entire island of Ireland, including the Irish Republic ... Try telling the Irish that, and you may get a dusty response. Very few Irish would deny geography. However it doesn’t make Northern Ireland part of Britain or Great Britain. |
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Post by MeirionGwril on Aug 12, 2018 17:00:11 GMT
Some have suggested North West European Archipelago (NWEA), bit more of a mouthful to pronounce, maybe?!  |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Aug 12, 2018 17:28:58 GMT
Out of curiosity, when this petition ends will a list of signatures be available for inspection in the same way marked registers are?
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spqr
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Post by spqr on Aug 12, 2018 23:52:44 GMT
Some have suggested North West European Archipelago (NWEA), bit more of a mouthful to pronounce, maybe?! That would be probably be far too Euro-nationalist for some people. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 0:53:27 GMT
Some have suggested North West European Archipelago (NWEA), bit more of a mouthful to pronounce, maybe?! That would be probably be far too Euro-nationalist for some people. Given that Great Britain is literally "Big Brittany" (Bretagne vs Grande Bretagne in French), that shouldn't be too big a problem. |
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Post by MeirionGwril on Aug 13, 2018 11:08:38 GMT
That would be probably be far too Euro-nationalist for some people. I think that was the point .... |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 13, 2018 11:56:16 GMT
Some have suggested North West European Archipelago (NWEA), bit more of a mouthful to pronounce, maybe?! Possibly a bit close to NWA! (it does sound like a prog album, though) |
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Post by spqr on Aug 13, 2018 18:53:24 GMT
That would be probably be far too Euro-nationalist for some people. I think that was the point .... It wasn't exactly obvious. |
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Post by greatkingrat on Aug 13, 2018 19:43:20 GMT
Out of curiosity, when this petition ends will a list of signatures be available for inspection in the same way marked registers are? No, except in certain defined circumstances where there is a suspicion of fraud. www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/295/schedule/3/made |
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Post by greenchristian on Aug 28, 2018 18:38:55 GMT
Very few Irish would deny geography. However it doesn’t make Northern Ireland part of Britain or Great Britain. Those Irish who object to the term "British Isles" are not "denying geography", they are denying Britain's right to name territory over which they have no sovereignty. Which is entirely fair The problem they have is that looking at a map, there would seem to be a need for a term that encompasses the two islands and their associated offshore islands. And no other term than British Isles makes much sense. So the Irish are effectively denying the need for a term that clearly many entirely neutral observers would assert rather needs a term. They are also denying the fact that the terminology ultimately originates with the Romans calling the biggest island in the group "Britannia", and so dates back centuries before the origin myths of any of the nations which currently inhabit the island group. |
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Post by johnloony on Sept 13, 2018 22:48:49 GMT
The end of the petition period is 5pm on 19th September. When do we get the "declaration" of the number of signatures? Will there be a "count" at which the signatures are checked / filtered / removing duplicates? In what physical form are the signatures? Are they like individual ballot papers, waiting to be counted? What is the physical method of people signing the petition?
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Richard Allen
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Post by Richard Allen on Sept 13, 2018 23:53:25 GMT
The end of the petition period is 5pm on 19th September. When do we get the "declaration" of the number of signatures? Will there be a "count" at which the signatures are checked / filtered / removing duplicates? In what physical form are the signatures? Are they like individual ballot papers, waiting to be counted? What is the physical method of people signing the petition? Presumably these questions were considered carefully by Parliament during the passing of the relevant legislation. |
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timmullen1
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Post by timmullen1 on Sept 14, 2018 0:33:20 GMT
The end of the petition period is 5pm on 19th September. When do we get the "declaration" of the number of signatures? Will there be a "count" at which the signatures are checked / filtered / removing duplicates? In what physical form are the signatures? Are they like individual ballot papers, waiting to be counted? What is the physical method of people signing the petition? The physical method is either turning up in person or proxy at one of the signing centres designated by the Chief Electoral Officer for Northern Ireland or by applying for and returning a postal vote. There’s a designated form of words to be used on the petition, and the elector’s signature is to confirm that they understand the wording. Given that it would seem likely that the count will take the form of comparing signatures to the Register of Electors, allowing for the UK’s traditional lack of openness, and the likely length of time it will take to do such a tally, the “count” will I suspect be closed except possibly for scrutineers representing Mr Paisley and “accredited campaigner(s)”. The result is first conveyed to the Speaker and then made public. www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2015/25/section/9/enacted |
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Post by greatkingrat on Sept 14, 2018 9:17:00 GMT
I don't believe any signatures will be physically checked - the electoral register won't have a current copy of everybody's signature anyway.
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timmullen1
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Post by timmullen1 on Sept 14, 2018 9:37:33 GMT
I don't believe any signatures will be physically checked - the electoral register won't have a current copy of everybody's signature anyway. Possibly not, if the signing centres are staffed and they ascertain the signatory is a valid elector at the centre that would meet that criteria. I presume postal signatures would be subject to the same scrutiny as postal votes in an election. |
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Post by neilm on Sept 14, 2018 9:45:25 GMT
Is ID required as with voting in person?
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Post by greatkingrat on Sept 14, 2018 9:47:49 GMT
Yes, in Northern Ireland at least.
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 14, 2018 9:52:02 GMT
The end of the petition period is 5pm on 19th September. When do we get the "declaration" of the number of signatures? Will there be a "count" at which the signatures are checked / filtered / removing duplicates? In what physical form are the signatures? Are they like individual ballot papers, waiting to be counted? What is the physical method of people signing the petition? Presumably these questions were considered carefully by Parliament during the passing of the relevant legislation. I think it is a comment on the times we are living in that I'm not sure if this was serious or sarcastic  |
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Tony Otim
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Post by Tony Otim on Sept 14, 2018 9:54:19 GMT
Given who wrote it, I just assumed that it was...
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