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Post by neilm on Sept 14, 2018 10:03:00 GMT
Yes, in Northern Ireland at least. Pity, I was hoping for allegations of shenanigans to make it slightly more interesting.
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Post by neilm on Sept 14, 2018 10:03:41 GMT
Does anyone know if this is getting lots of publicity?
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Post by timmullen1 on Sept 14, 2018 10:26:17 GMT
Does anyone know if this is getting lots of publicity? It seems to have done initially, particularly because everybody from Sinn Fèin to the UUP were objecting to there only being three signing centres rather than the ten allowed in the legislation. Additionally the uniqueness of it drew the MSM to it around launch day. There may be a last minute push by the non-DUP part of the community to get their support out as I guess you either want to lose narrowly or win substantially to send a message to Mr Paisley; if the recall falls substantially short it may be interpreted as a vote of confidence in him and perceived as a damp squib by the media.
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Post by Tony Otim on Sept 14, 2018 10:29:48 GMT
Does anyone know if this is getting lots of publicity? It seems to have done initially, particularly because everybody from Sinn Fèin to the UUP were objecting to there only being three signing centres rather than the ten allowed in the legislation. Additionally the uniqueness of it drew the MSM to it around launch day. There may be a last minute push by the non-DUP part of the community to get their support out as I guess you either want to lose narrowly or win substantially to send a message to Mr Paisley; if the recall falls substantially short it may be interpreted as a vote of confidence in him and perceived as a damp squib by the media. Or it could be interpreted as a sign that the legislation is a crock of shit...
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Post by timmullen1 on Sept 14, 2018 10:30:57 GMT
It seems to have done initially, particularly because everybody from Sinn Fèin to the UUP were objecting to there only being three signing centres rather than the ten allowed in the legislation. Additionally the uniqueness of it drew the MSM to it around launch day. There may be a last minute push by the non-DUP part of the community to get their support out as I guess you either want to lose narrowly or win substantially to send a message to Mr Paisley; if the recall falls substantially short it may be interpreted as a vote of confidence in him and perceived as a damp squib by the media. Or it could be interpreted as a sign that the legislation is a crock of shit... My damp squib was a polite way of saying your crock of shit 😉
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Post by neilm on Sept 14, 2018 10:44:02 GMT
In an attempt to discover what, if any, publicity this was getting I Googled 'BBC Northern Ireland.' Clicked the link and literally the first story they've got is this: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-45515428 Were this the mainland, it'd be getting a lot more publicity. Especially as the council says it was within guidelines. When I worked in betting, I went on a two day course in GAA sports- the chap running it said 'it's not corrupt as such in Northern Ireland, just differently incentivised.' This is another case in point.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 19, 2018 16:00:32 GMT
The recall petition has now closed.
Apparently the result will be known tomorrow, but I think the law prohibiting anyone claiming to know how many people have signed it is now lifted.
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Post by robert1 on Sept 19, 2018 19:03:24 GMT
For clarification re publicity, I was with a group of journalists from a range of outlets the other day. They were saying that the publicity they can give to a recall petition is massively restricted. It is therefore not a question of where the petition is being sought but the law.
I was unaware of the restrictions but those concerned had clearly looked at the options very carefully. I assume that this was to avoid 'rogue' petitions. The law seems to have gone somewhat further in silencing the media than was probably intended.
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Post by neilm on Sept 19, 2018 19:49:59 GMT
I'm surprised one of them hasn't tested it.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 19, 2018 20:06:31 GMT
The restrictions on publicity clearly derive from the 'no impression of how the poll is going on the day of the election' rule. But unlike ordinary elections the recall petition goes on for nearly a month.
I suppose there is a reason for it - if someone put it about that the numbers signing had been pitifully low, people inclined to sign might decide not to bother when in fact it was on a knife edge whether it passed or not. Or if it was claimed it was well over the threshold since day three, people may think it a waste of time adding their name.
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Post by ftmu on Sept 19, 2018 20:20:54 GMT
The recall petition has now closed. Apparently the result will be known tomorrow, but I think the law prohibiting anyone claiming to know how many people have signed it is now lifted. apparently counting starts at midnight, expected result between 1am and 2am, and once the Speaker's Office has confirmed they have received it, then the NI Electoral Commission will release the result. i still haven't seen any speculation as to what the result is likely to be !
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Sept 19, 2018 20:28:28 GMT
“Counting” ?
Presumably names are recorded electronically from a central register and you’d think that would be done daily/weekly over the last six months.
Also why start at midnight or is there some overtime involved?
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Post by timmullen1 on Sept 19, 2018 21:15:53 GMT
“Counting” ? Presumably names are recorded electronically from a central register and you’d think that would be done daily/weekly over the last six months. Also why start at midnight or is there some overtime involved? The start at midnight is because the legislation only specifies the date for receipt of postal votes, not the time, so the Elections Officer is waiting until one minute past midnight just to be on the safe side as theoretically somebody could turn up with a PV after the 5pm close of public signatories. www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/ian-paisley-petition-of-recall-closes-what-happens-next-37333252.html
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Post by CatholicLeft on Sept 19, 2018 21:29:52 GMT
Sinn Fein are claiming only they put in a campaign for the recall...
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Post by johnloony on Sept 19, 2018 22:45:47 GMT
I predict that the number will be way below the threshold.
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Post by johnloony on Sept 19, 2018 22:51:58 GMT
The restrictions on publicity clearly derive from the 'no impression of how the poll is going on the day of the election' rule. But unlike ordinary elections the recall petition goes on for nearly a month. I suppose there is a reason for it - if someone put it about that the numbers signing had been pitifully low, people inclined to sign might decide not to bother when in fact it was on a knife edge whether it passed or not. Or if it was claimed it was well over the threshold since day three, people may think it a waste of time adding their name. No doubt you're right - but it's a philosophical question whether such information and speculation should just be allowed anyway. On the subject of postal votes being processed, I would prefer to allow a free-for-all of information being leaked / splurged / speculated about, as soon as it happens. If the system wants to maintain secrecy and confidentiality, then they should go the whole way and not start opening the postal votes until after the close of poll anyway.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 19, 2018 23:00:11 GMT
The restrictions on publicity clearly derive from the 'no impression of how the poll is going on the day of the election' rule. But unlike ordinary elections the recall petition goes on for nearly a month. I suppose there is a reason for it - if someone put it about that the numbers signing had been pitifully low, people inclined to sign might decide not to bother when in fact it was on a knife edge whether it passed or not. Or if it was claimed it was well over the threshold since day three, people may think it a waste of time adding their name. No doubt you're right - but it's a philosophical question whether such information and speculation should just be allowed anyway. On the subject of postal votes being processed, I would prefer to allow a free-for-all of information being leaked / splurged / speculated about, as soon as it happens. If the system wants to maintain secrecy and confidentiality, then they should go the whole way and not start opening the postal votes until after the close of poll anyway. I think I said before that really there's no reason why an official count number shouldn't be provided every day during the time the petition remains open.
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Post by ftmu on Sept 19, 2018 23:12:24 GMT
No doubt you're right - but it's a philosophical question whether such information and speculation should just be allowed anyway. On the subject of postal votes being processed, I would prefer to allow a free-for-all of information being leaked / splurged / speculated about, as soon as it happens. If the system wants to maintain secrecy and confidentiality, then they should go the whole way and not start opening the postal votes until after the close of poll anyway. I think I said before that really there's no reason why an official count number shouldn't be provided every day during the time the petition remains open. but that would encourage the target 10% to be reached ... which is presumably *not* what the MPs who passed this legislation actually wanted to see.
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Post by timmullen1 on Sept 20, 2018 0:28:04 GMT
Breaking: Chief electoral officer Virginia McVea: 7,099 votes. There will not be a North Antrim by-election. Threshold was 7,543.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 20, 2018 0:36:02 GMT
Just 444 signatures in it.
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