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Post by neilm on Aug 7, 2018 23:36:07 GMT
7543 signatures needed following a tidy up of the roll, presumably to weed out any 'vote early, vote often' stuff.
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Aug 8, 2018 8:46:20 GMT
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Post by Crimson King on Aug 8, 2018 21:40:48 GMT
anyone else wince when the BBC kept saying this was the first time a ‘British MP had faced a recall petition’ this morning
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 8, 2018 21:49:39 GMT
anyone else wince when the BBC kept saying this was the first time a ‘British MP had faced a recall petition’ this morning If they'd said "the first time an Irish MP has faced a recall petition" it would have sounded very odd. Think you'll find Ian Paisley is very insistent on being British. |
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Post by Crimson King on Aug 8, 2018 21:53:55 GMT
anyone else wince when the BBC kept saying this was the first time a ‘British MP had faced a recall petition’ this morning If they'd said "the first time an Irish MP has faced a recall petition" it would have sounded very odd. Think you'll find Ian Paisley is very insistent on being British. I’d have gone with ‘member of the house of commons’ |
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Post by Richard Allen on Aug 8, 2018 23:04:10 GMT
anyone else wince when the BBC kept saying this was the first time a ‘British MP had faced a recall petition’ this morning Why on earth would anybody wince because of a perfectly reasonable statement like that? |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Aug 8, 2018 23:07:20 GMT
anyone else wince when the BBC kept saying this was the first time a ‘British MP had faced a recall petition’ this morning Why on earth would anybody wince because of a perfectly reasonable statement like that? Geographically incorrect, as he is an MP from the Northern Ireland part of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Any good pedant would wince at that. |
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Post by johnloony on Aug 9, 2018 2:45:27 GMT
One thing I dislike about the UK is that it doesn't have its own name. I'm hoping that my use of the acronym "Ukogbani" will catch on. Then they could have said "Ukogbanian".
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Post by andrewteale on Aug 9, 2018 7:20:05 GMT
Why on earth would anybody wince because of a perfectly reasonable statement like that? Geographically incorrect, as he is an MP from the Northern Ireland part of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Any good pedant would wince at that. Quizland - which is full of good pedents - disagrees with you. The word "British" in a question is usually a marker that the answer refers to something Welsh, Scottish or Northern Irish. |
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Post by middyman on Aug 9, 2018 7:51:16 GMT
Geographically incorrect, as he is an MP from the Northern Ireland part of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Any good pedant would wince at that. Quizland - which is full of good pedents - disagrees with you. The word "British" in a question is usually a marker that the answer refers to something Welsh, Scottish or Northern Irish. Sorry to pick you up on this, but "pedants" not "pedents", well I hope so anyway. |
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Post by Tom on Aug 9, 2018 12:16:44 GMT
anyone else wince when the BBC kept saying this was the first time a ‘British MP had faced a recall petition’ this morning He's a British citizen, is a member of the British Parliament, is from the British Isles and identifies as British. How is he not British? |
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Post by timmullen1 on Aug 9, 2018 12:36:11 GMT
anyone else wince when the BBC kept saying this was the first time a ‘British MP had faced a recall petition’ this morning He's a British citizen, is a member of the British Parliament, is from the British Isles and identifies as British. How is he not British? He is a member of the United Kingdom Parliament, the British Parliament does not exist as a legal entity. Again, whatever he identifies as, he is a citizen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, which is the title of the State in all legal forms (United Nation’s Charter, Commonwealth Charter, etc.) and on his passport. He is indeed from the British Isles, however given that the British Isles include both the Isle of Man and the entire island of Ireland, including the Irish Republic, that’s kind of irrelevant to whether or not he’s British. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Aug 9, 2018 12:40:28 GMT
... the British Isles include both the Isle of Man and the entire island of Ireland, including the Irish Republic ... Try telling the Irish that, and you may get a dusty response. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2018 12:50:06 GMT
... the British Isles include both the Isle of Man and the entire island of Ireland, including the Irish Republic ... Try telling the Irish that, and you may get a dusty response. We had this discussion quite recently - vote-2012.proboards.com/post/658304 |
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Post by neilm on Aug 9, 2018 13:04:00 GMT
British Islands is the legal term, IIRC
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Post by timmullen1 on Aug 9, 2018 13:04:47 GMT
... the British Isles include both the Isle of Man and the entire island of Ireland, including the Irish Republic ... Try telling the Irish that, and you may get a dusty response. I am 25% Irish, I have more relatives in the Republic than in England probably, they’re all proud Nationalists some of whom vote Sinn Féin, but they are more than willing to concede the geographical term British Isles as being the accurate description of the collection of 136 inhabited islands. |
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Post by spqr on Aug 9, 2018 14:01:23 GMT
One thing I dislike about the UK is that it doesn't have its own name. I'm hoping that my use of the acronym "Ukogbani" will catch on. Then they could have said "Ukogbanian". Tom Nairn, in his essays for the New Left Review, repeatedly referred to 'Ukania' rather than 'the UK'. It's not a neutral term, though: Nairn used it in a critical sense, as a shorthand for the supposedly archaic, dysfunctional nature of the British state. He took it from the works of the Austro-Hungarian writer Robert Musil and his concept of 'Kakania'. |
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Post by johnloony on Aug 9, 2018 14:01:37 GMT
anyone else wince when the BBC kept saying this was the first time a ‘British MP had faced a recall petition’ this morning He's a British citizen, is a member of the British Parliament, is from the British Isles and identifies as British. How is he not British? He is not, has never been, and cannot possibly be a member of the British Parliament, because there is no such body. |
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Post by froome on Aug 9, 2018 14:16:39 GMT
British Islands is the legal term, IIRC Which leads us into the very confused terminology to describe these islands. My understanding is that the British Islands is the legal term for the UK plus Guernsey, Jersey and the Isle of Man, while the British Isles is the currently accepted term for all the islands that make up the UK and Irish republic. Just as confusing is Great Britain, which can be used to describe the main island that makes up England, Scotland and Wales, though it is also the term used for that island plus all the outlying islands that make up those three countries. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Aug 9, 2018 14:30:31 GMT
... the British Isles include both the Isle of Man and the entire island of Ireland, including the Irish Republic ... Try telling the Irish that, and you may get a dusty response. Probably as much as telling me that I'm not British. |
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