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Post by hedgehog on Jul 14, 2018 20:16:42 GMT
How would the country have developed if Henry IV had been defeated by the combined forces of Owen Glyndwr, Edmund Mortimer and Henry Percey in the early 15th century.
Would the three areas have been able to keep their independence or would they have united either amicably or through conflict.
Would we be looking at a federal UK today?.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 15, 2018 9:08:36 GMT
How would the country have developed if Henry IV had been defeated by the combined forces of Owen Glyndwr, Edmund Mortimer and Henry Percey in the early 15th century. Would the three areas have been able to keep their independence or would they have united either amicably or through conflict. Would we be looking at a federal UK today?. An interesting question. I suspect no, mainly because I don't think it would have lasted. Glyndwr for one was going to get most of Cheshire and Shropshire, and I suspect the potential for trouble would have been high. The other divisions were equally not based on any real, tangible divisions or identities. |
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Post by hedgehog on Jul 15, 2018 12:03:35 GMT
Without the buffer counties, Wales wouldn't have been viable or defensible, Shropshire a few centuries earlier had been Pengwern, Welsh was still spoken in much of Herefordshire.
Glyndwr was intent on building a modern state in Wales, with a Welsh Church and seats of learning.
How much of an English national identity was there in the early 15th century as opposed to local identity, if the plan had worked, would we have seen a divergence in the way the English language developed and how would relations between the Northern English Kingdom and Scotland play out, would Wales come to the aid of Cornwall.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jul 15, 2018 12:52:10 GMT
Without the buffer counties, Wales wouldn't have been viable or defensible, Shropshire a few centuries earlier had been Pengwern, Welsh was still spoken in much of Herefordshire. Glyndwr was intent on building a modern state in Wales, with a Welsh Church and seats of learning. How much of an English national identity was there in the early 15th century as opposed to local identity, if the plan had worked, would we have seen a divergence in the way the English language developed and how would relations between the Northern English Kingdom and Scotland play out, would Wales come to the aid of Cornwall. Looking at a map of Wales it does "look wrong". You would naturally think the Severn would be the boundary, something like this:  |
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Post by yellowperil on Jul 15, 2018 14:41:00 GMT
Without the buffer counties, Wales wouldn't have been viable or defensible, Shropshire a few centuries earlier had been Pengwern, Welsh was still spoken in much of Herefordshire. Glyndwr was intent on building a modern state in Wales, with a Welsh Church and seats of learning. How much of an English national identity was there in the early 15th century as opposed to local identity, if the plan had worked, would we have seen a divergence in the way the English language developed and how would relations between the Northern English Kingdom and Scotland play out, would Wales come to the aid of Cornwall. Looking at a map of Wales it does "look wrong". You would naturally think the Severn would be the boundary, something like this: Nah. Offa's Dyke should be the real boundary. And Hadrian's Wall the boundary with Scotland,of course. |
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