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Post by tiberius on Apr 28, 2018 11:11:10 GMT
I recently have been toying with the idea of seeing what it would look like if membership in the House of Commons was cut to 435, the number of members in the US House of Representatives. +/- 10% deviation. Orkney and Shetland, Na h-Eileanan an Iar, and the Isle of Wight are still protected. Local authorities kept together when possible. This is what Northern Ireland would look:  |
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Post by beastofbedfordshire on Apr 28, 2018 11:13:19 GMT
I recently have been toying with the idea of seeing what it would look like if membership in the House of Commons was cut to 435, the number of members in the US House of Representatives. +/- 10% deviation. Orkney and Shetland, Na h-Eileanan an Iar, and the Isle of Wight are still protected. Local authorities kept together when possible. This is what Northern Ireland would look: View AttachmentSorry to inform you that your proposals have just been voted down by the DUP. |
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Post by tiberius on Apr 28, 2018 11:15:07 GMT
I recently have been toying with the idea of seeing what it would look like if membership in the House of Commons was cut to 435, the number of members in the US House of Representatives. +/- 10% deviation. Orkney and Shetland, Na h-Eileanan an Iar, and the Isle of Wight are still protected. Local authorities kept together when possible. This is what Northern Ireland would look: Sorry to inform you that your proposals have just been voted down by the DUP. Why? I made 6 of Norn Iron's local authorities constituencies all to themselves.  |
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Post by greenhert on Apr 28, 2018 11:17:18 GMT
This scenario would be more plausible if it was also combined with 215 PR seats elected by list-PR.
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Post by tiberius on Apr 28, 2018 11:21:04 GMT
This scenario would be more plausible if it was also combined with 215 PR seats elected by list-PR. That's not inherently contradictory with this scenario. This only assumes there are 435 Westminster constituencies. That's unchangeable. Pretty much everything else is not. |
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Post by tiberius on Apr 28, 2018 11:35:04 GMT
Some Wales local authorities that can become a constituency by themselves:
Flintshire (112,938)
Wrexham (95,880)
Powys (99,262)
Newport (100,931)
Bridgend (101,684)
Neath Port Talbot (103,037) could be one to itself, but the numbers for neighboring authorities might make it unworkable.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Apr 28, 2018 12:05:33 GMT
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Post by tiberius on Apr 28, 2018 12:18:32 GMT
Wales:  I made sure to maintain road contiguity. The Welsh Valleys were tricky and Monmouth had to split in half. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Apr 28, 2018 12:29:33 GMT
The valleys tend to run north to south..
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Post by tiberius on Apr 28, 2018 12:46:47 GMT
The valleys tend to run north to south.. Indeed. This dictated the design of the Welsh Valley seats. Brigend and Newport were off-limits, and both Torfean and Monmouth were around 65-70k in electorate. And since Torfean lacked anything on the level of a road connection to Caerphilly, and had much better connections to Southern Monmouth, I decided to split Monmouth. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Apr 28, 2018 13:01:20 GMT
I was thinking more of your Merthyr/Aberdare/Northern Rhondda seat
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Post by tiberius on Apr 28, 2018 13:09:02 GMT
So the two seats should be redone, with Pontypridd being placed with Merthyr Tydfil?
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Post by greenhert on Apr 28, 2018 13:23:10 GMT
Chislehurst & Sidcup is essentially an expanded version of the pre-1974 Chislehurst seat, since both Chislehurst and Sidcup were in the Chislehurst constituency from 1945 to 1974.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Apr 28, 2018 13:33:23 GMT
Chislehurst & Sidcup is essentially an expanded version of the pre-1974 Chislehurst seat, since both Chislehurst and Sidcup were in the Chislehurst constituency from 1945 to 1974. Yes of course the constituency had identical boundaries (from 1951) to the then Chislehurst & Sidcup urban district. This seat includes quite a large chunk of Bexley, a small part of Orpington (St Mary Cray) and excludes Mottingham and part of Sidcup (Blackfen & Lamorbey) |
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Post by tiberius on Apr 28, 2018 13:33:43 GMT
These are my basic calculations:
electorate in a given region; region name; seat allotment
1874396 NE (18)
5074302 NW (49)
3722035 Yorkshire (36)
3842736 Scotland (37 - taking into account the two protected seats puts one at 39)
1243369 NI (12)
2181841 Wales (21)
3989320 W Midlands (38)
3275046 E Midlands (32)
4242266 E of England (42)
5118884 London (50)
3930770 SW (38)
6067475 SE (59)
Protected seats: Isle of Wight, Western Isles, Orkney and Shetland
44562440 in total
44562440/432=103154
92839 minimum; 113469 maximum
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Post by tiberius on Apr 28, 2018 13:38:20 GMT
Something interesting about this quota is that Devonwall is not even on the table. Cornwall is 392,223; this makes it a slam dunk for 4 wholely contained constituencies.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Apr 28, 2018 13:42:49 GMT
I screwed up the maths and ended up with a mid point of about 93. Oh well - can't arsed to redo it. Having 480 seats or whatever makes no more or less sense
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Post by tiberius on Apr 28, 2018 13:46:24 GMT
I screwed up the maths and ended up with a mid point of about 93. Oh well - can't arsed to redo it. Having 480 seats or whatever makes no more or less sense It's my fault, for not putting this information earlier. I should have worked on seat allotment and all that but for whatever reason I didn't. Blame me. |
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Post by andrewteale on Apr 28, 2018 14:16:37 GMT
These are my basic calculations: electorate in a given region; region name; seat allotment 1874396 NE (19) 5074302 NW (48)3722035 Yorkshire (36) 3842736 Scotland (37 - taking into account the two protected seats puts one at 39) 1243369 NI (12) 2181841 Wales (21) 3989320 W Midlands (38) 3275046 E Midlands (32) 4242266 E of England (42) 5118884 London (50) 3930770 SW (38) 6067475 SE (59) Protected seats: Isle of Wight, Western Isles, Orkney and Shetland 44562440 in total 44562440/432=103154 92839 minimum; 113469 maximum Dammit, I've just finished a North West proposal based on 49 seats. EDIT: On that quota the allocation should be 18 for the North East and 49 for the North West. |
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Post by tiberius on Apr 28, 2018 14:26:46 GMT
These are my basic calculations: electorate in a given region; region name; seat allotment 1874396 NE (19) 5074302 NW (48)3722035 Yorkshire (36) 3842736 Scotland (37 - taking into account the two protected seats puts one at 39) 1243369 NI (12) 2181841 Wales (21) 3989320 W Midlands (38) 3275046 E Midlands (32) 4242266 E of England (42) 5118884 London (50) 3930770 SW (38) 6067475 SE (59) Protected seats: Isle of Wight, Western Isles, Orkney and Shetland 44562440 in total 44562440/432=103154 92839 minimum; 113469 maximum Dammit, I've just finished a North West proposal based on 49 seats. EDIT: On that quota the allocation should be 18 for the North East and 49 for the North West. I only set it at 19 because I had done a thing with 19 seats and wanted to avoid having to rework it.  However, it's not really all that good probably, esp. since my Northumberland seat is awkwardly shaped... |
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