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Post by eastmidlandsright on Feb 8, 2023 21:54:17 GMT
Nancy Pelosi backs Adam Schiff for Senate in California. Surely Dianne Feinstein retires in 2024 now. This happened a week ago and it isn't quite what she said. She said that if Dianne Feinstein seeks re-election she would have her "whole hearted support" but if not she would support Adam Schiff.
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Post by stb12 on Feb 9, 2023 18:07:38 GMT
The California Senate situation does feel uncomfortably a lot like people fighting over the inheritance from someone who is ill but not dead yet
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Post by rockefeller on Feb 9, 2023 18:15:01 GMT
The California Senate situation does feel uncomfortably a lot like people fighting over the inheritance from someone who is ill but not dead yet It does stb, but you only have to look at the examples of Robert Byrd and Thad Cochran to see how bad things could get if Dianne Feinstein runs again next year at 91.
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Post by Sibboleth on Feb 9, 2023 19:17:54 GMT
The California Senate situation does feel uncomfortably a lot like people fighting over the inheritance from someone who is ill but not dead yet It does stb, but you only have to look at the examples of Robert Byrd and Thad Cochran to see how bad things could get if Dianne Feinstein runs again next year at 91. Byrd was fine mentally (well, to the extent that he ever was: a strange mind even for a Senator) up until he died, it's just that he was extremely frail and, as often happens, picked up infections very easily. Think you might be confusing him with Strom Thurmond, who was gaga in his final term. There's also the rather grim case of Pete Domenici who appeared on the Senate floor wearing pyjama bottoms and a suit jacket: he was a lot younger but had early-onset dementia.
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Post by stb12 on Feb 9, 2023 20:51:49 GMT
The California Senate situation does feel uncomfortably a lot like people fighting over the inheritance from someone who is ill but not dead yet It does stb, but you only have to look at the examples of Robert Byrd and Thad Cochran to see how bad things could get if Dianne Feinstein runs again next year at 91. I certainly don’t disagree that she should retire and bow out after this term. I also get that people running before she’s actually confirmed her intentions is probably partly due to the nature of US politics where you need to get ahead with fundraising But there has been a pretty unpleasant feel to the campaign against Feinstein for the last few years now and at least some of it is no doubt politically motivated because she’s seen as an out of touch moderate, particularly for California
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Post by rockefeller on Feb 9, 2023 20:59:15 GMT
Here we go
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Post by finsobruce on Feb 9, 2023 21:12:01 GMT
It does stb, but you only have to look at the examples of Robert Byrd and Thad Cochran to see how bad things could get if Dianne Feinstein runs again next year at 91. I certainly don’t disagree that she should retire and bow out after this term. I also get that people running before she’s actually confirmed her intentions is probably partly due to the nature of US politics where you need to get ahead with fundraising But there has been a pretty unpleasant feel to the campaign against Feinstein for the last few years now and at least some of it is no doubt politically motivated because she’s seen as an out of touch moderate, particularly for California I think there's an element of truth in this but all the putative replacements are going to find that they too will end up being accused of moderation in some area or other
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Post by stb12 on Feb 9, 2023 21:14:47 GMT
I certainly don’t disagree that she should retire and bow out after this term. I also get that people running before she’s actually confirmed her intentions is probably partly due to the nature of US politics where you need to get ahead with fundraising But there has been a pretty unpleasant feel to the campaign against Feinstein for the last few years now and at least some of it is no doubt politically motivated because she’s seen as an out of touch moderate, particularly for California I think there's an element of truth in this but all the putative replacements are going to find that they too will end up being accused of moderation in some area or other Well indeed, as much as California is a safely Democrat/liberal state these days ultimately you still need to work with people from very different states in DC to get things done
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Post by CatholicLeft on Feb 9, 2023 21:15:26 GMT
It does stb, but you only have to look at the examples of Robert Byrd and Thad Cochran to see how bad things could get if Dianne Feinstein runs again next year at 91. I certainly don’t disagree that she should retire and bow out after this term. I also get that people running before she’s actually confirmed her intentions is probably partly due to the nature of US politics where you need to get ahead with fundraising But there has been a pretty unpleasant feel to the campaign against Feinstein for the last few years now and at least some of it is no doubt politically motivated because she’s seen as an out of touch moderate, particularly for California I sort of agree with you - I think the push against her for giving Lindsey Graham a hug was utterly pathetic - I am no fan of the man, but in a particularly exclusive and tight-knit group of people, you build up close relationships: I have gone for a drink with people who implacably opposed my position on issues when in policy meetings in the prison service. When an intense session is over, you are just relieved to get it over and done with. To encourage her not to claim her position as Senate President pro tempore was cheap, unlike the chair of the Judiciary committee, it requires very little, beyond being valued for your service. I cannot be alone in thing it wouldn't have happened to a man; indeed, Strom Thurmond was increasingly out of his depth in his role as Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman and still became President pro tempore. The old boys wanted him to be an elected senator at 100, come what may. I agree that she is too old to be a Senator, but a lot of the opposition to her has been politically motivated from those who do not see the importance and value of negotiation and, sometimes, compromise.
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Post by stb12 on Feb 9, 2023 21:33:32 GMT
I certainly don’t disagree that she should retire and bow out after this term. I also get that people running before she’s actually confirmed her intentions is probably partly due to the nature of US politics where you need to get ahead with fundraising But there has been a pretty unpleasant feel to the campaign against Feinstein for the last few years now and at least some of it is no doubt politically motivated because she’s seen as an out of touch moderate, particularly for California I sort of agree with you - I think the push against her for giving Lindsey Graham a hug was utterly pathetic - I am no fan of the man, but in a particularly exclusive and tight-knit group of people, you build up close relationships: I have gone for a drink with people who implacably opposed my position on issues when in policy meetings in the prison service. When an intense session is over, you are just relieved to g tit over and done with. To encourage her not to claim her position as Senate President pro tempore was cheap, unlike the chair of the Judiciary committee, it requires very little, beyond being valued for your service. I cannot be alone in thing it wouldn't have happened to a man; indeed, Strom Thurmond was increasingly out of his depth in his role as Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman and still became President pro tempore. The old boys wanted him to be an elected senator at 100, come what may.] I agree that she is too old to be a Senator, but a lot of the opposition to her has been politically motivated from those who do not see the importance and value of negotiation and, sometimes, compromise. The Lindsey Graham issue is the sort of thing that springs to mind, she showed a bit of affection and said he chaired the ACB hearings really well (which was especially relevant when the Kavanaugh hearings got so out of hand), it's not as if she voted for the nominee or agreed with the GOP putting it through so close to the election. Yet the fuss it created was like she'd committed the greatest betrayal imaginable and the Democrat leadership didn't exactly try hard to calm it down. I also agree the President pro tempore issue was really mean spirited, for what is a symbolic position they could at least have let her take that for a few weeks to be the one that made history
When Feinstein was first running for statewide office California was a swing state that had tended to vote GOP more often than not so she obviously comes from a time where there was a need to appeal to a wider range of people in the state than there is now. But as mentioned above even with that being the case if you're getting involved in Federal politics you need to work with people from states that are so different even ones from the same party. Especially the case with the Senate where all states have two senators regardless of size
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Post by johnloony on Feb 9, 2023 22:09:47 GMT
How common are such expulsions? Even if it’s unprecedented, it’s justified in these circumstances. But how did he get selected as a candidate in the first place? It’s almost as if they don’t have scrutiny and interviews and so on
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Post by finsobruce on Feb 9, 2023 22:26:44 GMT
How common are such expulsions? Even if it’s unprecedented, it’s justified in these circumstances. But how did he get selected as a candidate in the first place? It’s almost as if they don’t have scrutiny and interviews and so on Very uncommon. And even after all this time the majority of expulsions resulted from alleigance to the Confederacy.
Of course lots of others have resigned at various times rather than risk expulsion. Or were censured when perhaps they should have been expelled.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Feb 9, 2023 22:53:09 GMT
So, they've revoked the Acts of Attender clause of the constitution have they? Must have missed the news.
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 9, 2023 23:14:58 GMT
So, they've revoked the Acts of Attender clause of the constitution have they? Must have missed the news. Do you mean 'attainder'? I am aware of this as a branch of the family by marriage has an earldom still in attainder, I think from being on the wrong side during the Duke of Monmouth's Rebellion.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Feb 9, 2023 23:26:28 GMT
How common are such expulsions? Even if it’s unprecedented, it’s justified in these circumstances. But how did he get selected as a candidate in the first place? It’s almost as if they don’t have scrutiny and interviews and so on Very uncommon. And even after all this time the majority of expulsions resulted from alleigance to the Confederacy.
Of course lots of others have resigned at various times rather than risk expulsion. Or were censured when perhaps they should have been expelled. Expulsions from Congress are very rare, but not quite as rare as expulsions from the British House of Commons. There have been two in the past half century compared with none in Britain. Both were Democrats convicted of taking bribes.
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Post by stb12 on Feb 9, 2023 23:31:37 GMT
I do remember some speculation that there would be an attempt to expel Roy Moore if he had been elected to the Senate
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Feb 10, 2023 1:37:43 GMT
The California Senate situation does feel uncomfortably a lot like people fighting over the inheritance from someone who is ill but not dead yet It does stb, but you only have to look at the examples of Robert Byrd and Thad Cochran to see how bad things could get if Dianne Feinstein runs again next year at 91. I know she hasn't made an announcement but she clearly isn't running again. She raised just $558 in Q4 of 2022 and finished the year with cash on hand of less than $10,000 as well as a debt of over $5,000*. She obviously has her reasons for not announcing that she is retiring although given her influence in the Senate is almost non-existent I can't really see any reason other than being awkward. This is entirely understandable given the disgraceful treatment she has received from her colleagues. * She also owes £500,000 to herself, the remnants of £8 million that she loaned to her campaign for the 2018 election.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Feb 10, 2023 1:50:05 GMT
So, they've revoked the Acts of Attender clause of the constitution have they? Must have missed the news. Do you mean 'attainder'? I am aware of this as a branch of the family by marriage has an earldom still in attainder, I think from being on the wrong side during the Duke of Monmouth's Rebellion. Crumbs! I checked that twice and even copy&pasted it from the Wiki article to be sure, I've no idea how it ended up like that.
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Post by rockefeller on Feb 11, 2023 17:40:25 GMT
US Congressional Districts by population (thousands). Both Idaho districts have over 900,000 people and a third seat based on Boise (Ada County) may be competitive. Nebraska probably loses a seat in 2032.
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Post by rockefeller on Feb 11, 2023 19:57:14 GMT
Delaware County, north of Columbus (central blue area) may also vote for Brown. Trump narrowly won it in 2020
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