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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 17:47:57 GMT
This will mean nothing to most members here, but I miss really Vincent Hanna. My University Liberal club had some very fine by-election parties in the early 1980s, and part of that were his round-ups as soon as the polls closed. His interviewing of politicians was forensic and he was merciless when it came to flawed candidates. My other main memory of him was at an Assembly glee club singing Irish Republican songs and playing the guitar. www.independent.co.uk/news/people/obituary-vincent-hanna-1252092.htmlIt’s not been the same without Bob McKenzie and Richard Dimbleby [\@conservativeestimate] |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 17:53:02 GMT
The by-elections in the 1979 to 1983 parliament were probably the best.
Vincent Hanna presenting.
The drama of Bermondsey, Croydon NW, Crosby, Glasgow Hillhead, and of course Mitcham & Morden.
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Post by swanarcadian on Apr 26, 2018 17:57:28 GMT
It's a pity Bob McKenzie didn't live to see 1983 and 1987 and that David Butler had left the Beeb to do other things by that time, because they might have insisted on the swingometer being retained. Which it should have been.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 18:03:22 GMT
It's a pity Bob McKenzie didn't live to see 1983 and 1987 and that David Butler had left the Beeb to do other things by that time, because they might have insisted on the swingometer being retained. Which it should have been. Robin Day was fantastic too. |
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Post by swanarcadian on Apr 26, 2018 18:07:28 GMT
It's a pity Bob McKenzie didn't live to see 1983 and 1987 and that David Butler had left the Beeb to do other things by that time, because they might have insisted on the swingometer being retained. Which it should have been. Robin Day was fantastic too. Yes. And Cliff Michelmore was, in my view, the best presenter (he only did it in 1966 and 1970). |
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Post by hullenedge on Apr 26, 2018 18:49:09 GMT
Robin Day was fantastic too. Yes. And Cliff Michelmore was, in my view, the best presenter (he only did it in 1966 and 1970). Alastair Burnet was first class for both sides! Pity that the 3-way swingometer wasn't developed for 1983/87. (Tried in 2005). |
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Post by Foggy on Apr 26, 2018 22:25:14 GMT
Seconded, hope that all is fine. The object form of a noun encompasses more than just the accusative case, which should strictly refer only to direct objects. If we have come to use 'accusative' as shorthand for 'objective' in English, it's only because we haven't had the distinction in our own grammar for over a thousand years... but that doesn't make what you said correct. welcome back, foggy- we've missed you for a few of these! Thank you both. Everything is okay, Bish. I was away for 10 days in the middle of last month, but saw no reason to announce my departure. Upon my return I found no pressing motive to log back in (apart from possible corrections!) and only came back because I realised nobody was chronicling the extraordinary events in Madrid since I left. I'm on record as saying that next week marks the point in the English 4-year local election cycle that interests me the least. I was mainly planning to weigh in on elections in Ontario, Québec and Bavaria later this year that I'm looking forward to far more, unless the Boundary Commissions sooner report their final recommendations. I'm going to try to avoid arguments on other matters as best I can. |
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Post by greenchristian on Apr 27, 2018 8:19:00 GMT
Seconded, hope that all is fine. welcome back, foggy- we've missed you for a few of these! Thank you both. Everything is okay, Bish. I was away for 10 days in the middle of last month, but saw no reason to announce my departure. Upon my return I found no pressing motive to log back in (apart from possible corrections!) and only came back because I realised nobody was chronicling the extraordinary events in Madrid since I left. I'm on record as saying that next week marks the point in the English 4-year local election cycle that interests me the least. I was mainly planning to weigh in on elections in Ontario, Québec and Bavaria later this year that I'm looking forward to far more, unless the Boundary Commissions sooner report their final recommendations. I'm going to try to avoid arguments on other matters as best I can. Why does this year interest you less than the other years in the cycle? |
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Post by froome on Apr 27, 2018 20:35:15 GMT
Thank you both. Everything is okay, Bish. I was away for 10 days in the middle of last month, but saw no reason to announce my departure. Upon my return I found no pressing motive to log back in (apart from possible corrections!) and only came back because I realised nobody was chronicling the extraordinary events in Madrid since I left. I'm on record as saying that next week marks the point in the English 4-year local election cycle that interests me the least. I was mainly planning to weigh in on elections in Ontario, Québec and Bavaria later this year that I'm looking forward to far more, unless the Boundary Commissions sooner report their final recommendations. I'm going to try to avoid arguments on other matters as best I can. Why does this year interest you less than the other years in the cycle? I suspect it is because there isn't any election due this year in Somerset, and very few across the south-west.  |
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Post by Foggy on Apr 27, 2018 20:40:01 GMT
Thank you both. Everything is okay, Bish. I was away for 10 days in the middle of last month, but saw no reason to announce my departure. Upon my return I found no pressing motive to log back in (apart from possible corrections!) and only came back because I realised nobody was chronicling the extraordinary events in Madrid since I left. I'm on record as saying that next week marks the point in the English 4-year local election cycle that interests me the least. I was mainly planning to weigh in on elections in Ontario, Québec and Bavaria later this year that I'm looking forward to far more, unless the Boundary Commissions sooner report their final recommendations. I'm going to try to avoid arguments on other matters as best I can. Why does this year interest you less than the other years in the cycle? I don't agree with partial election for local councils (I'd have a different solution to maintaining a 4-year cycle), and I have no link to any of the places with all-ups. I've checked the sub-forums for polls, but I'm not interested in the ongoing discussions there at all. I'll still be staying up to follow the results coming in next Thursday night, mind you! |
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Post by greenchristian on Apr 27, 2018 21:35:36 GMT
Why does this year interest you less than the other years in the cycle? I don't agree with partial election for local councils (I'd have a different solution to maintaining a 4-year cycle), and I have no link to any of the places with all-ups. I've checked the sub-forums for polls, but I'm not interested in the ongoing discussions there at all. I'll still be staying up to follow the results coming in next Thursday night, mind you! That sounds like it's one of two years in the cycle where you have an equal level of lack of interest. |
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Post by Foggy on Apr 27, 2018 22:35:43 GMT
I don't agree with partial election for local councils (I'd have a different solution to maintaining a 4-year cycle), and I have no link to any of the places with all-ups. I've checked the sub-forums for polls, but I'm not interested in the ongoing discussions there at all. I'll still be staying up to follow the results coming in next Thursday night, mind you! That sounds like it's one of two years in the cycle where you have an equal level of lack of interest. As awful as the positions are, both 2016 and 2020 have PCC elections across all of England and Wales. Besides, until just over a year ago we were led to believe that 2020 would be a GE year, and 2 years back I was still expecting European elections (in the UK) for 2024. Other than that, fair point. |
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Post by andrewp on Apr 27, 2018 22:39:37 GMT
That sounds like it's one of two years in the cycle where you have an equal level of lack of interest. As awful as the positions are, both 2016 and 2020 have PCC elections across all of England and Wales. Besides, until just over a year ago we were led to believe that 2020 would be a GE year, and 2 years back I was still expecting European elections (in the UK) for 2024. Other than that, fair point. Living in Somerset aswell, I do agree with Foggy that the electoral cycle of the odd number years have slightly more interest to me. The media are forced to focus outside London too. |
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Post by Dalek on Jan 25, 2019 23:11:09 GMT
The by-elections in the 1979 to 1983 parliament were probably the best. Vincent Hanna presenting. The drama of Bermondsey, Croydon NW, Crosby, Glasgow Hillhead, and of course Mitcham & Morden. Sensational by elections at the time but all with the exception of Glasgow North (the successor to Glasgow Hillhead), all ultra safe Labour constituencies today. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 13:08:46 GMT
Bermondsey was supposedly safe then.
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Jan 26, 2019 13:12:49 GMT
I quite like Blaenau Gwent in 2006 (both Assembly and Parliament, retaining an Independent MP and electing an Independent AM) as well as Ceredigion in 2000 (broadcast live from the Memorial Hall in Aberaeron) which means that three locations have hosted the Ceredigion count
Prior to 1983 : The County Offices, Aberystwyth (evidence February 1974)
Between 1983 and 2001 : The Memorial Hall, Aberaeron (evidence February 2000)
Post 2001: Sir Geraint Evans Leisure Centre, Aberaeron (evidence 2010)
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Post by rivers10 on Jan 26, 2019 14:09:53 GMT
For me personally it has to be Oldham West in 2015. A surprising choice perhaps but being the first by-election of Corbyn's leadership it was so clearly apparent that the political establishment (the media, the Tories and most Labour MP's) where predicting a huge swing against Labour and possibly even defeat at the hands of UKIP and it was going to all be Corbyn's fault.
Low and behold the result came in (a mind numbingly predictable result to anyone even half sane) and the commenteriat class where clearly hugely surprised and we then had the spectacle of UKIP claiming the vote was rigged and most everyone else who just 24 hours previously had been saying Corbyn needs to own the upcoming disaster now squirming out of it claiming the result was entirely down to Labour's moderate candidate.
The whole thing was a hilarious spectacle that displayed succinctly why I hold most of the Westminster bubble in such contempt.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 19:56:12 GMT
For me personally it has to be Oldham West in 2015. A surprising choice perhaps but being the first by-election of Corbyn's leadership it was so clearly apparent that the political establishment (the media, the Tories and most Labour MP's) where predicting a huge swing against Labour and possibly even defeat at the hands of UKIP and it was going to all be Corbyn's fault. Low and behold the result came in (a mind numbingly predictable result to anyone even half sane) and the commenteriat class where clearly hugely surprised and we then had the spectacle of UKIP claiming the vote was rigged and most everyone else who just 24 hours previously had been saying Corbyn needs to own the upcoming disaster now squirming out of it claiming the result was entirely down to Labour's moderate candidate. The whole thing was a hilarious spectacle that displayed succinctly why I hold most of the Westminster bubble in such contempt. Stoke Central was similar. |
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Post by rivers10 on Jan 26, 2019 20:34:38 GMT
For me personally it has to be Oldham West in 2015. A surprising choice perhaps but being the first by-election of Corbyn's leadership it was so clearly apparent that the political establishment (the media, the Tories and most Labour MP's) where predicting a huge swing against Labour and possibly even defeat at the hands of UKIP and it was going to all be Corbyn's fault. Low and behold the result came in (a mind numbingly predictable result to anyone even half sane) and the commenteriat class where clearly hugely surprised and we then had the spectacle of UKIP claiming the vote was rigged and most everyone else who just 24 hours previously had been saying Corbyn needs to own the upcoming disaster now squirming out of it claiming the result was entirely down to Labour's moderate candidate. The whole thing was a hilarious spectacle that displayed succinctly why I hold most of the Westminster bubble in such contempt. Stoke Central was similar. I'd have to disagree, Stoke Central had totally different dynamics, it was post Brexit in an ultra Leave area and a city that Lab have been floundering in for a while now not to mention by this point Labour was polling abysmally so there was every reason to suspect it would be a bad result for Labour, throughout the campaign these issues were raised by the commenteriat thus amounting to "some" analysis on how and why people might vote the way they do. In Oldham West though everyone credible had it chalked down as an easy Labour hold yet the usual talking heads that clog up our TV screens genuinely seemed to be anticipating a calamity for Labour and their reasoning seemed to amount to little more than "Corbyn's a dirty commie, the GREAT British public will never vote for that riff raff"
And lets not forgot at the end of the day the Stoke Central result, while underwhelming and anti climatic was not a good result for Labour. Oldham West actually was a good result for Labour.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2019 9:46:06 GMT
Stoke Central was similar. I'd have to disagree, Stoke Central had totally different dynamics, it was post Brexit in an ultra Leave area and a city that Lab have been floundering in for a while now not to mention by this point Labour was polling abysmally so there was every reason to suspect it would be a bad result for Labour, throughout the campaign these issues were raised by the commenteriat thus amounting to "some" analysis on how and why people might vote the way they do. In Oldham West though everyone credible had it chalked down as an easy Labour hold yet the usual talking heads that clog up our TV screens genuinely seemed to be anticipating a calamity for Labour and their reasoning seemed to amount to little more than "Corbyn's a dirty commie, the GREAT British public will never vote for that riff raff"
And lets not forgot at the end of the day the Stoke Central result, while underwhelming and anti climatic was not a good result for Labour. Oldham West actually was a good result for Labour.
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