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Post by carlton43 on Mar 2, 2018 14:23:36 GMT
I agree. He is slow, tedious, obvious and just a bit dim. How did he get his own shows on radio and TV. Paxman, Brillo and Day had real charisma and style and at their best could be dauntingly well informed to the detriment of the ill-prepared politico. How did this lacklustre type cut it with anyone. I don't dislike him and he is not rude, but i so think to myself..........'I could run this interview so much better myself'. I think he was good as Political Editor, had good contacts in all Parties, and thrived on Westminster gossip and intrigue, but not being able to do that post-stroke has nullified his strongest suit. I also suspect there are some days when he feels so c**p he’s pretty distracted but he can’t really pick and choose which shows he does as his health permits. Then clearly he should be replaced in all those jobs by someone effective. Does Man Utd continue with a striker who once was good but now is fairly poor because they feel sorry for his illness? No. It would result in being beaten by the opposition!!! |
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Post by timmullen1 on Mar 2, 2018 14:36:04 GMT
I think he was good as Political Editor, had good contacts in all Parties, and thrived on Westminster gossip and intrigue, but not being able to do that post-stroke has nullified his strongest suit. I also suspect there are some days when he feels so c**p he’s pretty distracted but he can’t really pick and choose which shows he does as his health permits. Then clearly he should be replaced in all those jobs by someone effective. Does Man Utd continue with a striker who once was good but now is fairly poor because they feel sorry for his illness? No. It would result in being beaten by the opposition!!! He is capable of doing the job he is employed to do, it is maybe not the job he is best suited to, but he does it competently, and nobody has provided anything other than personal opinion to the contrary. And yes, Wayne Rooney until they sold him to Everton. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2018 17:11:07 GMT
On election night in 1997 I'm fairly certain David Dimbleby talked about "Michael Portillo arriving at his count in Enfield North"...
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Post by timmullen1 on Mar 2, 2018 17:32:29 GMT
On election night in 1997 I'm fairly certain David Dimbleby talked about "Michael Portillo arriving at his count in Enfield North"... I’m not sure about that but they did show the Enfield North declaration thinking it was Southgate. |
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Post by johnloony on Mar 2, 2018 18:45:21 GMT
The ignorance of political reporters about elections is really quite startling and depressing. It tells you how invested they are in the Westminster horse race model of journalism that they don't bother to inform themselves of anything outside of it, even stuff that is so fundamental like this. (There are exceptions e.g. Michael Crick and David Hencke, who are not always correct but at least have some curiosity) I am reminded of the moment when I was disillusioned by Anthony Howard, who was commentating on the Ogmore by-election of 2002. The Socialist Labour Party got 1,152 votes (and held its deposit), and the Socialist Alliance got 205 votes. But Howard repeatedly said that the Socialist Alliance had held its deposit, and he clearly didn't know the difference between the SLP and the SA (de-facto Stalinist and Trotsyite respectively). He also casually assumed that Captain Beany of the Bean Party was "an entertainer" rather than being the veteran of several elections in South Wales. He clearly hadn't bothered to do his homework of familiarising himself with who the candidates or parties were, and he was throughout smiling in a smug and patronising manner, as if he thought he was doing a favour to the viewers. I wrote to complain to the BBC, but I just got an evasive reply which basically said that he was a freelance and that anything he said had nothing to do with the BBC. I remember in May 1986 that Ryedale was expected to be a Conservative hold, and Derbyshire West ws expected to be a Lib Dem gain. It was the other way round. I stayed up until 3:30am, when it was decided that there would be a second recount. The result was eventually declared at 6:30am with a majority of 100 after 3 recounts. |
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Post by afleitch on Mar 2, 2018 19:56:58 GMT
At the count on the night in 2007, I was told that Annabel Goldie had won Renfrewshire West.
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Post by pragmaticidealist on Mar 3, 2018 13:58:33 GMT
There was a rumour that Gisela Stuart had lost Edgbaston in 2005. As it turned out, her majority was precisely halved in both numerical and percentage terms.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2018 18:22:29 GMT
I think there is a difference between incorrect result flashes (like 'LD gain Newark') and rumours from the count conveyed from party activists to people like Laura Kuenssberg in 2017. Given the amount of information being processed on the night, occasional howlers like Tewkesbury are probably inevitable, and are usually immediately doubted by those people in the studio who 'know their a ... from their elbow'. However in 2017 the trend to the Political Editor passing on duff information accelerated. I watched on Sky, having finally lost patience with the BBC after 2015. I really did not like this aspect of the 2017 BBC coverage when I watched back my recording later. These rumours were plausible but wrong. Maybe it's because I am old-fashioned, but I really liked the old days when I don't think broadcasters (for example on byelection programmes) were allowed to reveal the result before the official declaration. I liked the excitement reaching a climax. By the way, on Sky I was also irritated by Adam Boulton yelling 'that will be enough' during the reading of the figures, so you couldn't hear the next number - and I was delighted when on one occasion it very swiftly turned out that he was wrong. It seems to me all about instant gratification. As well as the inaccuracy, I adhere to that old discipline of appreciating deferred pleasures. Between us on this forum, we could produce a far superior election night programme! Given how easy it is to "broadcast" through live streaming, we really could. |
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Post by Robert Waller on Mar 5, 2018 18:44:06 GMT
As may have been mentioned before on this site, I actually have done live TV on election night.
Though not a general election (in front of the camera, anyway).
It's not easy, and I've sympathy for imperfections.
Edit: due to the darned page break, this looks like some kind of outrageous and gratuitous boast. I was actually responding directly to what DoktorB has just written ...
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Post by greenchristian on Mar 5, 2018 23:00:51 GMT
Between us on this forum, we could produce a far superior election night programme! Given how easy it is to "broadcast" through live streaming, we really could. It would, indeed, be possible. Though it would have to be done by those forum members who weren't at a count. I did at one point ponder what kind of content could go into a regular elections podcast (which could be expanded to full live streamed video on election nights), but don't think I could commit to making one happen. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 11:42:39 GMT
The map of NE Scotland looks beautiful post-2017
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Post by beastofbedfordshire on Mar 6, 2018 11:50:11 GMT
The map of NE Scotland looks beautiful post-2017 Ruined by a slither of yellow that is Aberdeen North. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 12:00:38 GMT
The map of NE Scotland looks beautiful post-2017 Ruined by a slither of yellow that is Aberdeen North. And of course the Dundee seats. Next time there'll be an unbroken strip of blue across Scotland if the Conservatives pick up Argyll & Bute and Perth & North Perthshire. |
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Mar 6, 2018 13:07:55 GMT
Not a general election but in 2004 after the Lib Dems gained Leicester South, a rumour appeared on the Lib Dem group that I ran saying "Lib Dems do the double" suggesting that Hodge Hill had also gone Lib Dem
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Post by timmullen1 on Mar 8, 2018 15:26:16 GMT
I remember in 2015 when the BBC were reporting that Labour had apparently held some 10 seats in Scotland including East Renfrewshire and Glasgow North East and the Lib Dems were on track to hold Edinburgh West... In 2017 I believe they were briefing that Perth & North Perthshire was a conservative gain, otherwise I think they got everything else bang on. I think what caused confusion in 2017 was the BBC trying to use the exit poll figures to forecast individual seats, and to be fair they repeatedly put health warnings on their Scottish projections I presume because of a relatively small Scottish sample in the exit poll (which may also explain why they were badly off in North Wales initially, forecasting Labour losing Wrexham, Clwyd South and Ynys Mön). |
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Post by Andrew_S on Mar 8, 2018 15:28:25 GMT
As may have been mentioned before on this site, I actually have done live TV on election night. Though not a general election (in front of the camera, anyway). It's not easy, and I've sympathy for imperfections. Edit: due to the darned page break, this looks like some kind of outrageous and gratuitous boast. I was actually responding directly to what DoktorB has just written ... I think it would be a good idea if these forums had a system where when a new page starts the last comment on the previous page is automatically repeated. |
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Post by swanarcadian on Mar 8, 2018 17:57:49 GMT
As may have been mentioned before on this site, I actually have done live TV on election night. Though not a general election (in front of the camera, anyway). It's not easy, and I've sympathy for imperfections. Edit: due to the darned page break, this looks like some kind of outrageous and gratuitous boast. I was actually responding directly to what DoktorB has just written ... I think it would be a good idea if these forums had a system where when a new page starts the last comment on the previous page is automatically repeated. Maybe that's possible. It might be worth asking the ProBoards Support forum. |
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Post by Foggy on Mar 9, 2018 1:19:13 GMT
I remember in 2015 when the BBC were reporting that Labour had apparently held some 10 seats in Scotland including East Renfrewshire and Glasgow North East and the Lib Dems were on track to hold Edinburgh West... In 2017 I believe they were briefing that Perth & North Perthshire was a conservative gain, otherwise I think they got everything else bang on. I think what caused confusion in 2017 was the BBC trying to use the exit poll figures to forecast individual seats, and to be fair they repeatedly put health warnings on their Scottish projections I presume because of a relatively small Scottish sample in the exit poll (which may also explain why they were badly off in North Wales initially, forecasting Labour losing Wrexham, Clwyd South and Ynys Mön). *Môn The regional swing model isn't reliable for predicting individual seats. In Wales you may well be right that a small sample size was the problem. In Scotland it was more of a problem that using 2015 as a base didn't help with clarity as to which party would be the main beneficiary of any SNP collapse, especially in the North East (where the Lib Dems had finished second in many seats that were ultimately won by the Conservatives). Nevertheless the exit poll for the last GE came remarkably close to getting the national seat totals spot on, which is its main purpose. Broadcasters shouldn't pretend that it can be extrapolated to point to a particular result in a single contest, and viewers shouldn't believe them when they do so... then again, they do have a few hours to fill with chatter before most of the results start pouring in! |
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Post by timmullen1 on Mar 9, 2018 1:23:48 GMT
I think what caused confusion in 2017 was the BBC trying to use the exit poll figures to forecast individual seats, and to be fair they repeatedly put health warnings on their Scottish projections I presume because of a relatively small Scottish sample in the exit poll (which may also explain why they were badly off in North Wales initially, forecasting Labour losing Wrexham, Clwyd South and Ynys Mön). *Môn The regional swing model isn't reliable for predicting individual seats. In Wales you may well be right that a small sample size was the problem. In Scotland it was more of a problem that using 2015 as a base didn't help with clarity as to which party would be the main beneficiary of any SNP collapse, especially in the North East (where the Lib Dems had finished second in many seats that were ultimately won by the Conservatives). Nevertheless the exit poll for the last GE came remarkably close to getting the national seat totals spot on, which is its main purpose. Broadcasters shouldn't pretend that it can be extrapolated to point to a particular result in a single contest, and viewers shouldn't believe them when they do so... then again, they do have a few hours to fill with chatter before most of the results start pouring in! Sorry about Môn, fat finger syndrome; I should know better as we used to go on childhood holidays there for the first 19 years of my life. Aside from that, yes to your analysis, although if they were going to do that with the exit poll it does beg the question why they didn’t do a few seat specific polls as they did in (I think) October 1974 when they certainly successfully picked up Bob Cryer gaining Keighley for Labour. |
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Post by Foggy on Mar 9, 2018 1:33:21 GMT
*Môn The regional swing model isn't reliable for predicting individual seats. In Wales you may well be right that a small sample size was the problem. In Scotland it was more of a problem that using 2015 as a base didn't help with clarity as to which party would be the main beneficiary of any SNP collapse, especially in the North East (where the Lib Dems had finished second in many seats that were ultimately won by the Conservatives). Nevertheless the exit poll for the last GE came remarkably close to getting the national seat totals spot on, which is its main purpose. Broadcasters shouldn't pretend that it can be extrapolated to point to a particular result in a single contest, and viewers shouldn't believe them when they do so... then again, they do have a few hours to fill with chatter before most of the results start pouring in! Sorry about Môn, fat finger syndrome; I should know better as we used to go on childhood holidays there for the first 19 years of my life. Aside from that, yes to your analysis, although if they were going to do that with the exit poll it does beg the question why they didn’t do a few seat specific polls as they did in (I think) October 1974 when they certainly successfully picked up Bob Cryer gaining Keighley for Labour. No worries. Having honed my French and German skills just across the Menai Strait from there, I am quick to spot a rogue umlaut where a circumflex should be! That's not begging the question (  ), but I think by last year Lord Ashcroft's attempts at constituency-level polling from before the 2015 GE had convinced them that it wouldn't be worth the hassle. |
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), but I think by last year Lord Ashcroft's attempts at constituency-level polling from before the 2015 GE had convinced them that it wouldn't be worth the hassle.