Khunanup
Lib Dem
Portsmouth Liberal Democrats
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Post by Khunanup on Dec 14, 2017 0:54:44 GMT
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Terry Weldon
Lib Dem
Councilor, Waverley BC and Haslemere TC. Lifelong liberal, in S Africa and now UK
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Post by Terry Weldon on Dec 14, 2017 0:55:53 GMT
Figures not yet on Britain Elects, but I have from an LD facebook source:
Lib Dems 266
Tories 246
Labour 151
Greens 40
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Khunanup
Lib Dem
Portsmouth Liberal Democrats
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Post by Khunanup on Dec 14, 2017 0:58:50 GMT
Looks like Lib dem campaigners getting their mojo back after the exhaustion of the General Election and poor local result just prior. It's all about the local which it hadn't been since the moment May called the election. It's our bread and butter but I also think you're getting a reaction to the fact that national politics at the moment is just generally crap and depressing. The fact we're such a minor player nationally can only help in that regard... |
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Post by middleenglander on Dec 14, 2017 1:37:50 GMT
Exeter, Newtown & St Leonards - Labour hold | Party | 2017 votes | 2017 share | since 2016 "top" | since 2016 "average" | | Labour | 1,044 | 54.6% | +5.0% | +5.3% | Conservative | 512 | 26.8% | +3.3% | +3.4% | Liberal Democrat | 179 | 9.4% | +2.3% | +1.7% | Green | 137 | 7.2% | -4.8% | -3.9% | UKIP | 40 | 2.1% | -2.9% | -3.3% | Independence from Europe |
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| -3.0% | -3.2% | Total votes | 1,912 |
| 55% | 60% |
Swing Conservative to Labour ~ 0.8% / 0.9% since 2016 Council now 29 Labour, 8 Conservative, 1 Liberal Democrat, 1 Green Waverley, Godalming Central & Ockford - Liberal Democrat gain from Conservative| Party | 2017 votes | 2017 share | since 2015 "top" | since 2015 "average" | since 2011 "top" | since 2011 "average" | | Liberal Democrat | 266 | 37.8% | from nowhere | from nowhere | +12.0% | +11.1% | | Conservative | 246 | 35.0% | -6.5% | -4.8% | -17.3% | -15.8% | | Labour | 151 | 21.5% | -4.6% | -5.4% | -0.4% | -1.0% | | Green | 40 | 5.7% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | | Something New |
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| -17.0% | -17.5% |
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| -15.4% | -15.8% |
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| | Row 8 column 1 | 703 |
| 25% | 25% | 44% | Row 8 column 7 |
Swing Conservative to Liberal Democrat ~ 14½% / 13½% since 2011 otherwise not meaningful Council now 50 Conservative, 6 Farnham Residents, 1 Liberal Democrat
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The Bishop
Labour
Down With Factionalism!
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Post by The Bishop on Dec 14, 2017 11:50:16 GMT
What exactly is/was the "Something New" party?
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maxque
Non-Aligned
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Post by maxque on Dec 14, 2017 12:08:30 GMT
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Post by andrewteale on Dec 14, 2017 12:10:29 GMT
I read that and decided not to bother trying to find anything else out. |
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maxque
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Post by maxque on Dec 14, 2017 12:11:46 GMT
I read that and decided not to bother trying to find anything else out. I gave up reading at Russell Brand and New Era. |
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Post by tonygreaves on Dec 14, 2017 15:10:13 GMT
Baby, come give me something new (Ooh)
Baby, come give me something new (Ooh)
'Cause I can't stop loving (Oh yeah)
Since I got a taste of your love (Oh yeah)
Baby, come give me something new (Ooh, woah)
(The rest of the "song" is probably not suitable for this forum)
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Post by tonygreaves on Dec 14, 2017 15:15:41 GMT
We also won the Town Council seat, not surprisingly. I'll put it in the Town and Parish thread.
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Post by andrew111 on Dec 15, 2017 11:08:34 GMT
We also won the Town Council seat, not surprisingly. I'll put it in the Town and Parish thread. Actually this was interesting in terms of where Green votes go. This from Lib Dem Voice comments: "Paul Follows also won the corresponding Godalming Town Council ward from the Tories on the same boundaries, the main difference being there was no Green candidate: Town: LD 294 Con 252 Lab 162 (winning margin 42) Borough: LD 266 Con 246 Lab 151 Green 40 (winning margin 20) So an interesting illustration of the impact of the Greens standing a candidate in a Tory-LD contest: Con -6 Lab -11 Lib Dem – 28" While Green activists may be overwhelmingly watermelons, Green voters are mainly mangoes (at least in Godalming) |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 11:14:03 GMT
May be true in godalming but im not sure thats true overall
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Khunanup
Lib Dem
Portsmouth Liberal Democrats
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Post by Khunanup on Dec 15, 2017 12:58:22 GMT
May be true in godalming but im not sure thats true overall I think it's about level now again like it tended to be pre-2010 (partly because we're now 2+ years post coalition and partly because some of the Greenies who were inclined to you as second choice are now first choice Labour voters). |
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Post by andrew111 on Dec 16, 2017 18:26:20 GMT
May be true in godalming but im not sure thats true overall Amongst student Green voters I daresay it is not true, but in my experience to get any success in local government the Greens have to adopt pavement politics more or less identical to the Lib Dems, so tend to appeal to the same sort of people. It would be interesting to see a similar parallel contest at two levels of local government in a Labour-facing ward however |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 22:54:03 GMT
Are there any closely contested Lib / Green council seats anywhere in the country? Strikes me as a particularly rare beast. Adam in Stroud - maybe in your neck of the woods |
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iain
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Post by iain on Dec 16, 2017 23:59:45 GMT
Are there any closely contested Lib / Green council seats anywhere in the country? Strikes me as a particularly rare beast. Adam in Stroud - maybe in your neck of the woods Wotton under Edge in Stroud district is split between LD and Green - though it has generally been a Con-LD battle. The wards in Lewes town are another example. Also Broomhill in Sheffield pre-coalition, some of the Bristol West wards, and I think one Brighton ward used to be. |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Dec 17, 2017 7:53:33 GMT
Are there any closely contested Lib / Green council seats anywhere in the country? Strikes me as a particularly rare beast. Adam in Stroud - maybe in your neck of the woods Not really. Most of the wards held by the Greens at District Council level were not contested by us last time out. There are quite a few where Greens and LDs are or could be fairly close - apart from Wotton-under-Edge (as iain notes) I'd cite Minchinhampton (of course in the recent County Elections the two parties did a deal over those two divisions), Painswick and perhaps Chalford; but the situation in all is as for W-u-E i.e. the primary opposition in all those would be the Conservatives not each other. IMO the attitudes and concerns of LD and Green voters in Stroud are very similar, more so than the national parties, and even the actual councillors are not far apart on practicalities. I think andrew111's observation about the Green Party and pavement politics is not far off the mark round here. Philosophically and culturally we're very similar, but there are one or two (many national) issues which are massive in one party and a bit of a side-issue in the other (nuclear power/weapons spring to mind.) |
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Post by andrew111 on Dec 17, 2017 8:20:25 GMT
Are there any closely contested Lib / Green council seats anywhere in the country? Strikes me as a particularly rare beast. Adam in Stroud - maybe in your neck of the woods Not really. Most of the wards held by the Greens at District Council level were not contested by us last time out. There are quite a few where Greens and LDs are or could be fairly close - apart from Wotton-under-Edge (as iain notes) I'd cite Minchinhampton (of course in the recent County Elections the two parties did a deal over those two divisions), Painswick and perhaps Chalford; but the situation in all is as for W-u-E i.e. the primary opposition in all those would be the Conservatives not each other. IMO the attitudes and concerns of LD and Green voters in Stroud are very similar, more so than the national parties, and even the actual councillors are not far apart on practicalities. I think andrew111's observation about the Green Party and pavement politics is not far off the mark round here. Philosophically and culturally we're very similar, but there are one or two (many national) issues which are massive in one party and a bit of a side-issue in the other (nuclear power/weapons spring to mind.) Well, yes, the Greens do believe in a completely different economic model which rather separates them from all the other parties, but I doubt if many Green voters are voting on that basis.. |
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