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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 14:29:09 GMT
Croydon South. The current seat contains no part of the town of Croydon. The current Croydon Central was called Croydon South before 1974. I think people in Waddon will be surprised to discover they aren't part of Croydon Even if Waddon is part of Croydon the place, the vast majority of the seat was never in the old Croydon borough pre-1965 or the town. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 14:30:17 GMT
Sheffield South East contains a lot of areas that historically weren't in Sheffield - but Derbyshire.
It's also an inferior name compared to 'Attercliffe' imo.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Mar 12, 2018 15:18:10 GMT
I think people in Waddon will be surprised to discover they aren't part of Croydon Even if Waddon is part of Croydon the place, the vast majority of the seat was never in the old Croydon borough pre-1965 or the town. Of course this is well known and most of the seat had previously been in the old Surrey East (which has little in common with the current seat of that name apart from Caterham & Warlingham). But this seat dates back to 1974 since when it has always formed the southern portion of the borough of Croydon. You might just as well bemoan the fact that Westminster North contains none of the pre-1964 borough of Westminster but it seems kind of irrelevant. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Mar 12, 2018 15:21:33 GMT
Sheffield South East contains a lot of areas that historically weren't in Sheffield - but Derbyshire. It's also an inferior name compared to 'Attercliffe' imo. It's a crap name. My recollection is that the original proposals for the area removed Darnall ward (which contains the community called Attercliffe) and therefore Attercliffe was no longer an appropriate name. After the usual consultations, the boundaries were changed back to include Darnall but the new name was retained. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 15:22:15 GMT
Even if Waddon is part of Croydon the place, the vast majority of the seat was never in the old Croydon borough pre-1965 or the town. Of course this is well known and most of the seat had previously been in the old Surrey East (which has little in common with the current seat of that name apart from Caterham & Warlingham). But this seat dates back to 1974 since when it has always formed the southern portion of the borough of Croydon. You might just as well bemoan the fact that Westminster North contains none of the pre-1964 borough of Westminster but it seems kind of irrelevant. I would prefer the name Paddington or Paddington & St Marylebone for that seat. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 15:24:30 GMT
Sheffield South East contains a lot of areas that historically weren't in Sheffield - but Derbyshire. It's also an inferior name compared to 'Attercliffe' imo. It's a crap name. My recollection is that the original proposals for the area removed Darnall ward (which contains the community called Attercliffe) and therefore Attercliffe was no longer an appropriate name. After the usual consultations, the boundaries were changed back to include Darnall but the new name was retained. This is all too common in cities. At least in Birmingham, Liverpool and Manchester the old names have been retained, but in Edinburgh, Glasgow and to a lesser extent Sheffield they've disappeared. Why do we have a seat called Sheffield, Hallam and not one called Edinburgh, Pentlands? Surely the latter is far preferable to Edinburgh SW, You wouldn't rename Sheffield, Hallam Sheffield South West so why use compass points for historic seats like Glasgow, Cathcart or Edinburgh, Pentlands. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Mar 12, 2018 16:06:22 GMT
Sheffield South East contains a lot of areas that historically weren't in Sheffield - but Derbyshire. It's also an inferior name compared to 'Attercliffe' imo. It's a crap name. My recollection is that the original proposals for the area removed Darnall ward (which contains the community called Attercliffe) and therefore Attercliffe was no longer an appropriate name. After the usual consultations, the boundaries were changed back to include Darnall but the new name was retained. In the current review almost everybody who responded said the old name should be re-instated. |
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Post by minionofmidas on Mar 12, 2018 17:35:26 GMT
It's a crap name. My recollection is that the original proposals for the area removed Darnall ward (which contains the community called Attercliffe) and therefore Attercliffe was no longer an appropriate name. After the usual consultations, the boundaries were changed back to include Darnall but the new name was retained. In the current review almost everybody who responded said the old name should be re-instated. Will it be though? (Pete's summary is correct.) |
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Post by islington on Mar 12, 2018 19:18:04 GMT
For the benefit of anyone that has been losing sleep over the matter, I'm delighted to report that the 1918-50 Waterloo seat has now turned up correctly in Lancashire in the Wikipedia article.
And here's another oddity I've noticed from poring over old maps. In 1885 the Parliamentary borough of Liverpool, previously undivided with three MPs, had its boundary extended and was split into nine divisions with one MP each. The extension included (among other places) a large part of the parish of Walton-on-the-Hill, but not the original village of Walton itself from which the parish took its name. Despite this, the name 'Walton' was applied to the division of Liverpool that included (among other places) the parts of the parish that had been included in the Parliamentary borough, which meant that the new seat of Liverpool (Walton) did not, in fact, include Walton itself, which was in the Bootle seat.
Walton village was brought within Liverpool's administrative boundary in 1895 but the Parliamentary boundaries remained unchanged until 1918.
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Post by johnloony on Mar 12, 2018 19:35:51 GMT
Croydon South. The current seat contains no part of the town of Croydon. That's rubbish. Croydon Central constituency includes Waddon ward, which has been part of Croydon borough since 1883, and Croham ward, which will soon be re-named as "South Croydon" ward. The whole of Croydon South constituency is within the borough as it has been since 1964. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 20:19:20 GMT
Croydon South. The current seat contains no part of the town of Croydon. That's rubbish. Croydon Central constituency includes Waddon ward, which has been part of Croydon borough since 1883, and Croham ward, which will soon be re-named as "South Croydon" ward. The whole of Croydon South constituency is within the borough as it has been since 1964. The 1965 local government reforms were rubbish. At least the people of Spelthorne had the good sense to oppose them. |
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Post by YL on Mar 12, 2018 21:09:44 GMT
Sheffield South East contains a lot of areas that historically weren't in Sheffield - but Derbyshire. It's also an inferior name compared to 'Attercliffe' imo. Playing devil's advocate you could argue that Sheffield Attercliffe is a poor name too as Attercliffe itself is on the fringe of the constituency and was depopulated by slum clearance to the extent that hardly anyone lives there. However, that had been the case since the 1970s, people had become used to the name, and it was very much the successor to the old Attercliffe constituency. Also I wouldn't call Darnall ward south-east Sheffield. I doubt it'll be changed back; the BCE seem determined to inflict compass points on us. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 21:31:30 GMT
Sheffield South East contains a lot of areas that historically weren't in Sheffield - but Derbyshire. It's also an inferior name compared to 'Attercliffe' imo. Playing devil's advocate you could argue that Sheffield Attercliffe is a poor name too as Attercliffe itself is on the fringe of the constituency and was depopulated by slum clearance to the extent that hardly anyone lives there. However, that had been the case since the 1970s, people had become used to the name, and it was very much the successor to the old Attercliffe constituency. Also I wouldn't call Darnall ward south-east Sheffield. I doubt it'll be changed back; the BCE seem determined to inflict compass points on us. I wish they’d get rid of names like Edinburgh South West though. Edinburgh, Pentlands was made famous by Malcolm Rifkind before the BC changed the name. At least Eastwood was renamed East Renfrewshire. Strathkelvin & Bearsden was another one that was changed back. It’d be good if more of the 1983 names were done away with - I don’t like Broxtowe and Gedling much. |
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Post by therealriga on Mar 12, 2018 21:43:42 GMT
Playing devil's advocate you could argue that Sheffield Attercliffe is a poor name too as Attercliffe itself is on the fringe of the constituency and was depopulated by slum clearance to the extent that hardly anyone lives there. However, that had been the case since the 1970s, people had become used to the name, and it was very much the successor to the old Attercliffe constituency. Also I wouldn't call Darnall ward south-east Sheffield. I doubt it'll be changed back; the BCE seem determined to inflict compass points on us. I wish they’d get rid of names like Edinburgh South West though. Edinburgh, Pentlands was made famous by Malcolm Rifkind before the BC changed the name. It’d be good if more of the 1983 names were done away with - I don’t like Broxtowe and Gedling much. Compass point names are just dull. Agree on Broxtowe and Gedling. The first could regain the old name of Beeston (or &Stapleford if needed) and the second Arnold&Carlton. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 21:47:38 GMT
I wish they’d get rid of names like Edinburgh South West though. Edinburgh, Pentlands was made famous by Malcolm Rifkind before the BC changed the name. It’d be good if more of the 1983 names were done away with - I don’t like Broxtowe and Gedling much. Compass point names are just dull. Agree on Broxtowe and Gedling. The first could regain the old name of Beeston (or &Stapleford if needed) and the second Arnold&Carlton. All these ‘x & x’ names. It’s like when I hear Peter Kyle refer to ‘Hove & Portslade’ or Zac Goldsmith refer to ‘Richmond Park & North Kingston’. The use of ‘&’ in constituency names should be limited too. So I’d go with Beeston and Carlton instead of Broxtowe and Gedling. East Hampshire = Petersfield. Romsey & Southampton North = Romsey. Etc. |
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Post by therealriga on Mar 12, 2018 22:10:37 GMT
Compass point names are just dull. Agree on Broxtowe and Gedling. The first could regain the old name of Beeston (or &Stapleford if needed) and the second Arnold&Carlton. All these ‘x & x’ names. It’s like when I hear Peter Kyle refer to ‘Hove & Portslade’ or Zac Goldsmith refer to ‘Richmond Park & North Kingston’. The use of ‘&’ in constituency names should be limited too. So I’d go with Beeston and Carlton instead of Broxtowe and Gedling. East Hampshire = Petersfield. Romsey & Southampton North = Romsey. Etc. Would definitely do away with triple names ("A, B and C") but for many of the "A & B" ones, it depends. St Austell and Newquay seems perfectly fine, for example. Not sure that places like Southam, North Hykeham or Whiston really need to be in constituency titles. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 22:17:35 GMT
All these ‘x & x’ names. It’s like when I hear Peter Kyle refer to ‘Hove & Portslade’ or Zac Goldsmith refer to ‘Richmond Park & North Kingston’. The use of ‘&’ in constituency names should be limited too. So I’d go with Beeston and Carlton instead of Broxtowe and Gedling. East Hampshire = Petersfield. Romsey & Southampton North = Romsey. Etc. Would definitely do away with triple names ("A, B and C") but for many of the "A & B" ones, it depends. St Austell and Newquay seems perfectly fine, for example. Not sure that places like Southam, North Hykeham or Whiston really need to be in constituency titles. I draw your attention to Inverness, Nairn, Badenoch & Strathspey Also Berwickshire, Roxburgh & Selkirk and Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale & Tweeddale. Dumfriesshire was a constituency for 297 years! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 22:24:28 GMT
Sheffield South East contains a lot of areas that historically weren't in Sheffield - but Derbyshire. It's also an inferior name compared to 'Attercliffe' imo. Playing devil's advocate you could argue that Sheffield Attercliffe is a poor name too as Attercliffe itself is on the fringe of the constituency and was depopulated by slum clearance to the extent that hardly anyone lives there. However, that had been the case since the 1970s, people had become used to the name, and it was very much the successor to the old Attercliffe constituency. Also I wouldn't call Darnall ward south-east Sheffield. I doubt it'll be changed back; the BCE seem determined to inflict compass points on us. Ah yes but Attercliffe is a historic name like Hallam and Hillsborough. |
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Post by therealriga on Mar 12, 2018 22:54:01 GMT
Would definitely do away with triple names ("A, B and C") but for many of the "A & B" ones, it depends. St Austell and Newquay seems perfectly fine, for example. Not sure that places like Southam, North Hykeham or Whiston really need to be in constituency titles. I draw your attention to Inverness, Nairn, Badenoch & Strathspey Also Berwickshire, Roxburgh & Selkirk and Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale & Tweeddale. Dumfriesshire was a constituency for 297 years! Yep, though I do have a soft spot for Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley. No clue why. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 23:09:34 GMT
I draw your attention to Inverness, Nairn, Badenoch & Strathspey Also Berwickshire, Roxburgh & Selkirk and Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale & Tweeddale. Dumfriesshire was a constituency for 297 years! Yep, though I do have a soft spot for Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley. No clue why. I have a soft spot for 'Ayr' and 'South Ayrshire'. |
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