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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 12:29:25 GMT
Bermuda has had the usual Caribbean two-party system (again) since 2011 when the Conservative United Bermuda Party (UBP) merged with the Liberal Bermuda Democratic Alliance (BDA) to form the One Bermuda Alliance (OBA). BDA were 2009 defectors from UBP. OBA is led by PM Michael Dunkley (59). The opposition is the Progressive Labour Party (PLP) under newly elected youngish leader David Burt. Race plays a part (as usual intertwined with class). Bermuda is 54% black, 31% white , 8% bi- or multiracial (mostly mulatto of course) and 4% Asian (mostly Indian). Though fewer of the whites would have British citizenship. 34 of 36 PLP candidates are black (incl. newly elected party leader David Burt) or mulatto, and supplemented by one anglo and one Portuguese. 21 of the OBA candidates are black or mulatto (a lot more light skinned than PLP on average), 14 are white incl. PM Michael Dunkley (12 anglos and 2 Portuguese) and 1 Indian. |
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Post by Khunanup on Jul 8, 2017 14:27:33 GMT
Bermuda has had the usual Caribbean two-party system (again) since 2011 when the Conservative United Bermuda Party (UBP) merged with the Liberal Bermuda Democratic Alliance (BDA) to form the One Bermuda Alliance (OBA). BDA were 2009 defectors from UBP. OBA is led by PM Michael Dunkley (59). The opposition is the Progressive Labour Party (PLP) under newly elected youngish leader David Burt. Race plays a part (as usual intertwined with class). Bermuda is 54% black, 31% white , 8% bi- or multiracial (mostly mulatto of course) and 4% Asian (mostly Indian). Though fewer of the whites would have British citizenship. 34 of 36 PLP candidates are black (incl. newly elected party leader David Burt) or mulatto, and supplemented by one anglo and one Portuguese. 21 of the OBA candidates are black or mulatto (a lot more light skinned than PLP on average), 14 are white incl. PM Michael Dunkley (12 anglos and 2 Portuguese) and 1 Indian. For info, mulatto is not a word used in modern parlance in English, it's used more in historical context. Mixed race is the catch all term. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 14:36:55 GMT
Bermuda has had the usual Caribbean two-party system (again) since 2011 when the Conservative United Bermuda Party (UBP) merged with the Liberal Bermuda Democratic Alliance (BDA) to form the One Bermuda Alliance (OBA). BDA were 2009 defectors from UBP. OBA is led by PM Michael Dunkley (59). The opposition is the Progressive Labour Party (PLP) under newly elected youngish leader David Burt. Race plays a part (as usual intertwined with class). Bermuda is 54% black, 31% white , 8% bi- or multiracial (mostly mulatto of course) and 4% Asian (mostly Indian). Though fewer of the whites would have British citizenship. 34 of 36 PLP candidates are black (incl. newly elected party leader David Burt) or mulatto, and supplemented by one anglo and one Portuguese. 21 of the OBA candidates are black or mulatto (a lot more light skinned than PLP on average), 14 are white incl. PM Michael Dunkley (12 anglos and 2 Portuguese) and 1 Indian. For info, mulatto is not a word used in modern parlance in English, it's used more in historical context. Mixed race is the catch all term. Well, its a very useful word as its accurate. Mixed race can be any combination of two races. |
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Post by Khunanup on Jul 8, 2017 14:44:19 GMT
For info, mulatto is not a word used in modern parlance in English, it's used more in historical context. Mixed race is the catch all term. Well, its a very useful word as its accurate. Mixed race can be any combination of two races. Well the context here pretty much confirms what mixed raced means. I was just trying to be helpful. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 17:43:51 GMT
Bermuda has had the usual Caribbean two-party system Sorry to be pedantic here but Bermuda is not a part of the Caribbean, geographically and historically its part of 'North America' along with the US and Canada rather than the 'Middle American' Carribean Islands. Its on the same latitide as 'Deep South' states like South Carolina and it started its inhabited history as part of the Virginia Colony rather than part of any Carribbean. The demographic mix you mentioned is also closer to what you'd expect in parts of the 'Deep South' rather than that of the English and French speaking parts of the Carribean. Nah, you aren't sorry at all.  I never said Bermuda was part of the Caribbean, but that it has a typical Caribbean two-party system, which it has. I suppose I should have said "Caribbean style" instead. The US doesn't have a Labour party and defectors from its Conservative party don't start claiming they are Social Democrats (that is typical Caribbean sinistrism). The high share of whites are due to recent immigration (mainly tax dodgers from the US and Canada). The British citizens on the island are overwhelmingly black. The black population became the majority ca. 1850 and the native white population of primarily Portuguese and British descent makes up less than half the resident whites. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 8, 2017 18:10:35 GMT
Bermuda has had the usual Caribbean two-party system Sorry to be pedantic here but Bermuda is not a part of the Caribbean, geographically and historically its part of 'North America' along with the US and Canada rather than the 'Middle American' Carribean Islands. Its on the same latitide as 'Deep South' states like South Carolina and it started its inhabited history as part of the Virginia Colony rather than part of any Carribbean. The demographic mix you mentioned is also closer to what you'd expect in parts of the 'Deep South' rather than that of the English and French speaking parts of the Carribean. And it was (or rather the wreck of the Sea Venture there was) almost certainly the inspiration for Shakespeare's "The Tempest". |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 14:58:49 GMT
Well, its a very useful word as its accurate. Mixed race can be any combination of two races. Well the context here pretty much confirms what mixed raced means. I was just trying to be helpful. I know, its just one of the words I have a hard time accepting not being "allowed" to use. They got Indians and some East Asians on Bermuda, and there are drops of Sephardic, Berber, Persian and Chinese blood in the Black population + quite a bit of Amerindian. Unruly Native Americans from New England and Canada were deported to Bermuda, and the 3% "Other" in the census are mostly "Black" people starting to identify as Native American (never pure blood ofc). Everyone used to be considered either white or coloured, and its relatively new that people are starting to identify as mixed race, or claim they are Native Americans. So biracial could be lots of things, but would be mostly Mulatto outside St. David's Island, which has the most Native American ancestry. I suppose the black/biracial distinction is mostly a matter of identity. I misremembered and its around 1880 the coloured population pass the white, not 1850. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 16:08:02 GMT
The high share of whites are due to recent immigration (mainly tax dodgers from the US and Canada). The British citizens on the island are overwhelmingly black. The black population became the majority ca. 1850 and the native white population of primarily Portuguese and British descent makes up less than half the resident whites. The 1960 Bermuda Census shows a population (excluding the armed forces and the 'visitors and transients' population) as being 37% white, roughly the same as now. (..) I think you may be confusing Bermuda with the Cayman Islands. what you've written there is true of the Cayman Islands. Well, that is a possibility and I do not have the stats (as so often relying on memory of things read or heard often long ago). But they do have a large expat population and most of their politicians are non-white ("the white party" only has 39% white candidates and "the black party" 5.5%) which would be unlikely if the white population mostly had citizenship and felt connected to the community (in that case you would think they would have a share of MPs at least comparable to their numbers and likely higher). So I doubt I am all wrong. The population has increased by 50% since 1960, which has included significant immigration (both wealthy whites from North America and blacks). The islands had race riots in 1968, 1970 and 1977 (those in 1977 quite serious) and some terrorism in the 1970s from the Black Panther inspired Black Beret Cadre. I think there likely was quite a bit of emigration of native white Bermudans in the 1970s to safer places with more career prospects. There has probably also been emigration since (its still a small place with limited opportunities). I think there must have been quite a bit of churn in the population. .... The story of the Black Beret Cadre is quite interesting. www.bermuda.org.uk/black_berets.htm"In 1972, they gunned down white police commissioner (a veteran of Britain’s colonies) George Duckett; in 1973, they ambushed governor (and former Tory M.P.) Richard Sharples and slew him, along with his aide-de-camp." www.executedtoday.com/tag/black-beret-cadre |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 20:12:23 GMT
Well, that is a possibility and I do not have the stats (as so often relying on memory of things read or heard often long ago). But they do have a large expat population and most of their politicians are non-white ("the white party" only has 39% white candidates and "the black party" 5.5%) which would be unlikely if the white population mostly had citizenship and felt connected to the community (in that case you would think they would have a share of MPs at least comparable to their numbers and likely higher). So I doubt I am all wrong. The population has increased by 50% since 1960, which has included significant immigration (both wealthy whites from North America and blacks). The islands had race riots in 1968, 1970 and 1977 (those in 1977 quite serious) and some terrorism in the 1970s from the Black Panther inspired Black Beret Cadre. I think there likely was quite a bit of emigration of native white Bermudans in the 1970s to safer places with more career prospects. There has probably also been emigration since (its still a small place with limited opportunities). I think there must have been quite a bit of churn in the population. .... The story of the Black Beret Cadre is quite interesting. www.bermuda.org.uk/black_berets.htm"In 1972, they gunned down white police commissioner (a veteran of Britain’s colonies) George Duckett; in 1973, they ambushed governor (and former Tory M.P.) Richard Sharples and slew him, along with his aide-de-camp." www.executedtoday.com/tag/black-beret-cadreAccording to the Bermuda census the white population includes 25% of citizens and 20% of Bermuda born citizens. Clearly there has been a churn of population however those figures are vastly higher than they are in any of the Anglophone Caribbean nations. Quite apart from that whilst history links Bermuda to the Caribbean, in the form of immigration from the Caribbean it also links it to Portugal, Britain and to the mainland North American colonies that became the United States. It has a Black majority but that does not make it Caribbean any more than these counties in the US (which cluster around roughly the same latitude as Bermuda) are Caribbean I never said it was Caribbean, no reason to go on about that. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 18, 2017 23:57:55 GMT
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Post by maxque on Jul 19, 2017 2:42:09 GMT
Not a success for pollsters, as OLB loses the election.
PLP 21, OLB 12, 3 seats yet to finish but they all have PLP leads, 2 of them very large.
So, probably 24 PLP, 12 OLB.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 7:43:51 GMT
Final results:
OBA 40.6% 12 (-5)
PLP 58.9% 24 (+7)
Indies 0.5% 0 (-2)
Clear opposition victory and E. David Burt will become the new PM.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 9:05:56 GMT
Details of the most recent opinion poll from May 15-19  Given that the PLP won a landslide, this may be another example of the difficulty of polling a small electorate, like constituency polls in the UK (though the poll was two months old, so maybe the campaign changed things). This seems to be a fairly clear case of the opposition running an excellent campaign and the government a lacklustre one. The poll could well have been accurate. |
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