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Post by slon on Jun 23, 2017 9:58:20 GMT
What would have happened?
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Post by peterl on Jun 23, 2017 10:05:17 GMT
Nothing good.
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Post by slon on Jun 23, 2017 10:28:41 GMT
May would have had power to decide on which way to go
For Brexit there would have been two possibilities:
1) Exit Hammond and attempts at a business friendly exit .... Gung-Ho hard brexit approach with hope the EU cave in.
2) Exit Davis/Fox .... rest of party made to agree to sell very soft fudged Brexit.
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Post by johnloony on Jun 24, 2017 20:47:45 GMT
Strutting triumphantly on the world stage. Saboteurs crushed. Hard Brexit. Corbyn resigned, replaced by Yvette Cooper or whoever.
My own personal reaction would be delight that there is a solid majority big enough to get a proper Brexit, but probably also anger and frustration that the election was called in the first place, because Croydon Central would possibly be the only Labour gain of the whole election. Ideally the "huge majority" in the title of the thread would include a big swing from Labour to Conservative in London, a 1987-style result in London, and gains in places like Walthamstow, Tooting, Eltham, Brent North, etc. and a majority of 15,000 for Gavin Barwell in Croydon Central.
Of course, such a scenario would only be possible if Theresa May were a good campaigner and leader as well as a good administrator.
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Post by Andrew_S on Jun 24, 2017 20:50:13 GMT
Do we know yet that Theresa May won't win a huge majority in 2017?
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Post by peterl on Jun 24, 2017 21:22:13 GMT
May would not get a huge majority in a fresh election because she has now shown even her own party how useless she really is. A thin majority similar to 2015 would be best case scenario for her, on the other hand a Labour victory wold be quite possible.
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Post by Jack on Jun 24, 2017 21:26:55 GMT
Do we know yet that Theresa May won't win a huge majority in 2017? You think the Conservatives will let her lead them into another election? |
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Post by Andrew_S on Jun 24, 2017 22:17:22 GMT
Do we know yet that Theresa May won't win a huge majority in 2017? You think the Conservatives will let her lead them into another election? My comment was mostly tongue-in-cheek, but I don't think it's impossible because politics seems to change so quickly these days. She might be flavour of the month before long for reasons as yet unknown to any of us. |
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Post by slon on Jun 27, 2017 8:13:44 GMT
Strutting triumphantly on the world stage. Saboteurs crushed. Hard Brexit. Corbyn resigned, replaced by Yvette Cooper or whoever. My own personal reaction would be delight that there is a solid majority big enough to get a proper Brexit, but probably also anger and frustration that the election was called in the first place, because Croydon Central would possibly be the only Labour gain of the whole election. Ideally the "huge majority" in the title of the thread would include a big swing from Labour to Conservative in London, a 1987-style result in London, and gains in places like Walthamstow, Tooting, Eltham, Brent North, etc. and a majority of 15,000 for Gavin Barwell in Croydon Central. Of course, such a scenario would only be possible if Theresa May were a good campaigner and leader as well as a good administrator. Well yes, the strutting would have been insufferable. However would it have been a case of Saboteurs crushed and a hard Brexit? The movers and shakers are still big business and the reality of what an exit with no good deal would actually do to the economy would become a big factor. Tough talk going into the negotiations could well have given way to a pragmatic deal and the people who got crushed would have been Davis, Fox, Redwood and the rest of the anti EU clan. Guess we will never know, we will just see a powerless PM trying to cling to the job unable to control the rival factions never mind the negotiations. |
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Post by Trab on Jun 29, 2017 16:51:37 GMT
Corbyn probably would've clung on to power rather than be replaced by someone like Cooper.
I imagine that May would've gone on with her planned purges of her cabinet. Replacing Hammond with Rudd seems like a no-brainer, and I think it's likely that Boris & co would be on the chopping block as well. I wonder who would've taken over as Foreign Secretary?
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Post by Trab on Jun 29, 2017 16:51:59 GMT
Do we know yet that Theresa May won't win a huge majority in 2017? You think the Conservatives will let her lead them into another election? Obviously. |
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Post by warofdreams on Jun 29, 2017 17:04:51 GMT
Corbyn probably would've clung on to power rather than be replaced by someone like Cooper. I guess it would depend on why Labour had done so badly - if there was wide acceptance among the membership that it was due to Corbyn, a fairly quick leadership election would be inevitable, Corbyn would probably contest it as nobody else from the left of the party could get on the ballot, and whoever the rest of the party coalesced around would win. If Corbyn had fought a good campaign but not made headway, he'd probably win any challenge and want to stay on, so a repeat of 2016 either with or without another election. |
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Post by mondialito on Jun 29, 2017 18:10:09 GMT
I wonder who would've taken over as Foreign Secretary? Perhaps someone reassuringly dull like Greg Clark. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 12:30:39 GMT
Her hand would've been strengthened in the negotiations presumably!  |
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Post by Trab on Jul 2, 2017 19:34:45 GMT
I wonder who would've taken over as Foreign Secretary? Perhaps someone reassuringly dull like Greg Clark. who do you think would have replace Rudd at the Home Office if she had become Chancellor? |
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Post by curiousliberal on Jul 2, 2017 21:51:28 GMT
Her hand would've been strengthened in the negotiations presumably! That would do the UK no good if said hand was just flailing about - by contrast, a minority government and the forced compromises that come with it may well cause a much-needed rethink of the government's approach to Brexit. |
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Post by slon on Jul 3, 2017 9:58:12 GMT
Her hand would've been strengthened in the negotiations presumably! That would do the UK no good if said hand was just flailing about - by contrast, a minority government and the forced compromises that come with it may well cause a much-needed rethink of the government's approach to Brexit. That is not what is happening at the momont .... more like internecine fight for the leadership and bugger policy decisions. Question was how would things have gone if she had won and therefore had the authority? |
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Post by carlton43 on Jul 15, 2017 15:07:21 GMT
The Brexit element were not badly beaten and Brexit is still a very strong party faction. In a landside my partial fear was that renegade parts of the Cameroon HQ might have secreted a lot of Remainer candidates leading to a much strengthened hand for a very soft Brexit indeed.
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