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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2017 20:51:05 GMT
Who would you vote for?
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Apr 23, 2017 21:24:19 GMT
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Richard Allen
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Post by Richard Allen on Apr 23, 2017 21:26:37 GMT
I would very reluctantly vote for Macron.
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Post by john07 on Apr 23, 2017 21:28:39 GMT
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Post by Jack on Apr 23, 2017 21:30:48 GMT
Macron.
Whilst I agree with a fair bit of what Le Pen says about the EU, her social and economic policies are a bit extreme for me.
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Post by mboy on Apr 23, 2017 21:37:32 GMT
I selected Macron in the other poll weeks ago, and made it obvious, you pratt. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2017 21:40:07 GMT
Le Pen, which is no surprise as I would of voted for her in the first round. How Macron can be considered an outsider by some is laughable.
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Post by mboy on Apr 23, 2017 21:45:25 GMT
He's clearly not an outsider at all, he's mostly more of the same. I fear he's soft on immigration and terrorism, but he's better on everything else.
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Post by Merseymike on Apr 23, 2017 21:53:49 GMT
A definite abstention
I dislike LePen more but there's not enough I like about Macron to vote for him. His social agenda is fine but I won't vote for anyone lauding liberal economics
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Post by Sharon on Apr 23, 2017 22:09:04 GMT
Macron.
Anyone but Le Pen!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2017 22:14:01 GMT
Macron obvs, given the closeness of the first round I probably would have reluctantly backed him then too.
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Apr 23, 2017 22:15:53 GMT
Macron belongs in that club of superficially appealing centrists that tend to disappoint slightly once in power, but these days that's about as good as it gets for those of my persuasion.
But frankly I'd find it hard to think of a candidate who is both more obnoxious and whose policies are less likely to work than Le Pen. Not only a weaselly fascist pretending not to be one, but mixes it with insanely protectionist economic policy, giving you the worst of the left wing with the worst of the far right. As with so many on the extreme right her appeal is based on telling her supporters that they are absolutely wonderful and all the problems in their country are caused by outsiders - immigrants, the wicked old EU, beastly foreigners making goods more cheaply and better than the French do so that noble patriotic French consumers are forced to buy it against their will. Anything but consider the possibility that e.g. there might be a bit of a problem with French productivity or fiscal policy. And of course, like so many who proclaim their outsider status, she is under suspicion of fiddling her expenses. And like so many "outsiders", largely owes her position to daddy. And likes to pall around with kleptocratic ex-secret policemen with a penchant for having their opponents murdered.
It will be particularly pleasing if Macron, who uniquely had the integrity to publicly recognise France's shocking record as a colonial power, puts her into second place after her typical attempt to make capital out of a terrorist outrage (and typically did it in a boneheaded way, saying that she could solve terrorism by banning immigration despite the perpetrator being born in France.)
A bas!
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Post by Jack on Apr 23, 2017 22:17:52 GMT
Macron belongs in that club of superficially appealing centrists that tend to disappoint slightly once in power, but these days that's about as good as it gets for those of my persuasion. But frankly I'd find it hard to think of a candidate who is both more obnoxious and whose policies are less likely to work than Le Pen. Not only a weaselly fascist pretending not to be one, but mixes it with insanely protectionist economic policy, giving you the worst of the left wing with the worst of the far right. As with so many on the extreme right her appeal is based on telling her supporters that they are absolutely wonderful and all the problems in their country are caused by outsiders - immigrants, the wicked old EU, beastly foreigners making goods more cheaply and better than the French do so that noble patriotic French consumers are forced to buy it against their will. Anything but consider the possibility that e.g. there might be a bit of a problem with French productivity or fiscal policy. And of course, like so many who proclaim their outsider status, she is under suspicion of fiddling her expenses. And like so many "outsiders", largely owes her position to daddy. And likes to pall around with kleptocratic ex-secret policemen with a penchant for having their opponents murdered. It will be particularly pleasing if Macron, who uniquely had the integrity to publicly recognise France's shocking record as a colonial power, puts her into second place after her typical attempt to make capital out of a terrorist outrage (and typically did it in a boneheaded way, saying that she could solve terrorism by banning immigration despite the perpetrator being born in France.) A bas! Not a fan then?  |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Apr 23, 2017 22:18:45 GMT
A definite abstention I dislike LePen more but there's not enough I like about Macron to vote for him. His social agenda is fine but I won't vote for anyone lauding liberal economics "Let Hitler take office. He will soon go bankrupt, and then it will be our day" - Hermann Remmele, KPD member of the Reichstag. |
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Post by finsobruce on Apr 23, 2017 22:22:39 GMT
A definite abstention I dislike LePen more but there's not enough I like about Macron to vote for him. His social agenda is fine but I won't vote for anyone lauding liberal economics "Let Hitler take office. He will soon go bankrupt, and then it will be our day" - Hermann Remmele, KPD member of the Reichstag. Well quite. Even more depressingly Remmele moved to Russia in the late 30s to escape the Nazis and was shot in a Stalinist purge in 1939.  |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Apr 23, 2017 22:24:23 GMT
Macron belongs in that club of superficially appealing centrists that tend to disappoint slightly once in power, but these days that's about as good as it gets for those of my persuasion. But frankly I'd find it hard to think of a candidate who is both more obnoxious and whose policies are less likely to work than Le Pen. Not only a weaselly fascist pretending not to be one, but mixes it with insanely protectionist economic policy, giving you the worst of the left wing with the worst of the far right. As with so many on the extreme right her appeal is based on telling her supporters that they are absolutely wonderful and all the problems in their country are caused by outsiders - immigrants, the wicked old EU, beastly foreigners making goods more cheaply and better than the French do so that noble patriotic French consumers are forced to buy it against their will. Anything but consider the possibility that e.g. there might be a bit of a problem with French productivity or fiscal policy. And of course, like so many who proclaim their outsider status, she is under suspicion of fiddling her expenses. And like so many "outsiders", largely owes her position to daddy. And likes to pall around with kleptocratic ex-secret policemen with a penchant for having their opponents murdered. It will be particularly pleasing if Macron, who uniquely had the integrity to publicly recognise France's shocking record as a colonial power, puts her into second place after her typical attempt to make capital out of a terrorist outrage (and typically did it in a boneheaded way, saying that she could solve terrorism by banning immigration despite the perpetrator being born in France.) A bas! Not a fan then? Still mulling it over, Jack, but so far I feel there's quite a lot of room for improvement. |
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Post by mondialito on Apr 24, 2017 0:15:35 GMT
Le Pen, which is no surprise as I would of voted for her in the first round. How Macron can be considered an outsider by some is laughable. He is very much a French Siobhan Benita, which I why I couldn't support him in the first round (I'd have voted Hamon). But needs must in the second and he would have my vote if I had one. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 24, 2017 9:36:11 GMT
I would very reluctantly vote for Macron. My sentiments exactly. An awful choice in the first round becomes a dire one in the second. |
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Post by john07 on Apr 24, 2017 10:12:58 GMT
Le Pen, which is no surprise as I would of voted for her in the first round. How Macron can be considered an outsider by some is laughable. Not quite as laughable as Le Pen trying to label herself as apolitical outsider. She has effectively been a professional politician since joining the legal department of the Front National in 1998. |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Apr 24, 2017 10:50:35 GMT
Le Pen, which is no surprise as I would of voted for her in the first round. How Macron can be considered an outsider by some is laughable. Not quite as laughable as Le Pen trying to label herself as apolitical outsider. She has effectively been a professional politician since joining the legal department of the Front National in 1998. But to be fair, I expect there was a truly rigorous section process which she got through entirely on merit. In no way is the Le Pen family making a fortune through politics. And that goes for her niece too. |
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