peterl
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Post by peterl on Nov 6, 2019 18:04:57 GMT
I once, in my UKIP days (I have a feeling it was for the 2009 Euro elections) delivered a leaflet to a house that had a "no junk mail" sign, thinking exactly this, that political literature is not junk mail. The householder promptly opened the door and handed it back with some rather terse words. Since then, I generally don't bother.
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Post by froome on Nov 7, 2019 14:15:59 GMT
Well, I find myself now without a Green Party candidate to vote for, which isn't a situation I've been in for a very long time.
I don't need any advice on who to vote for, but will be voting, and don't intend to spoil my ballot, as that just wastes a vote.
But I would like to express my desire to vote Green even while using my vote for another candidate, even though this would just be a fairly pointless gesture, so was wondering how best to do this.
My understanding is that, as long as my voting intention is clear, so just one cross put into one box, and that my identity isn't made known, I can write onto the ballot paper a message to that effect. Is that correct?
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Post by johnloony on Nov 7, 2019 16:34:44 GMT
Well, I find myself now without a Green Party candidate to vote for, which isn't a situation I've been in for a very long time. I don't need any advice on who to vote for, but will be voting, and don't intend to spoil my ballot, as that just wastes a vote. But I would like to express my desire to vote Green even while using my vote for another candidate, even though this would just be a fairly pointless gesture, so was wondering how best to do this. My understanding is that, as long as my voting intention is clear, so just one cross put into one box, and that my identity isn't made known, I can write onto the ballot paper a message to that effect. Is that correct? Yes, but you might want to be careful in case the Returning Officer is stroppy in interpreting things. If you write "I Prefer Green" they might think you're signing your name
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Post by gwynthegriff on Nov 7, 2019 17:08:15 GMT
Well, I find myself now without a Green Party candidate to vote for, which isn't a situation I've been in for a very long time. I don't need any advice on who to vote for, but will be voting, and don't intend to spoil my ballot, as that just wastes a vote. But I would like to express my desire to vote Green even while using my vote for another candidate, even though this would just be a fairly pointless gesture, so was wondering how best to do this. My understanding is that, as long as my voting intention is clear, so just one cross put into one box, and that my identity isn't made known, I can write onto the ballot paper a message to that effect. Is that correct? Yes, but you might want to be careful in case the Returning Officer is stroppy in interpreting things. If you write "I Prefer Green" they might think you're signing your name Or that you've agreed to place certain words on your ballot paper to allow an agent (small a) assurance of a promised vote.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Nov 7, 2019 17:14:36 GMT
Why? No point in annoying people if you hope to get their vote. I tend to assume (and this has been confirmed by anecdotes from other leaflet-deliverers) that a sign which says "No leaflets" is usually intended to refer to adverts, junk, pizza leaflets etc, and that the householder usually isn't thinking about election material. Some of my colleagues have reported conversations with people who simultaneously demand "no leaflets", and complain about never being contacted by politicians. Constituent: (after polling day) Didn't see you calling round this year. Gwyn: Well, I saw your notice saying "No Canvassers". Constituent: (emphatically) That doesn't mean you Mr TheGriff ! I also had some special "calling leaflets" which said - along the lines of - "we were calling, but respected your No Canvasser notice. If there's anything you wish to raise with us ..." Didn't half save time !
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Post by BossMan on Nov 15, 2019 17:24:48 GMT
Is there a list of MPs seeking re-election who have defected since 2017?
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Post by greenchristian on Nov 15, 2019 21:11:04 GMT
The Guildford SOPN lists the Conservative candidate twice (with different sets of nominators). Assuming this is a mistake on the part of the council, rather than the candidate, does anybody know whether they would legally have to list her twice on the ballot now it's been published this way?
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 15, 2019 21:22:17 GMT
That means a duplicate nomination paper. Two nominations for the same candidate = one candidate nominated.
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Post by greenchristian on Nov 15, 2019 21:31:57 GMT
That means a duplicate nomination paper. Two nominations for the same candidate = one candidate nominated. For two nominations to be valid they'll have to have received two deposits as well, and it seems unlikely that nobody on the Conservative team would have noticed that. Which is why I think it might be a council error in processing two sets of nominating signatures, and thought I'd ask if anybody knew what would happen if it is. Just because parties and candidates frequently cock-up nomination forms doesn't mean that council officers can't occasionally cock-up their side of the process.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Nov 15, 2019 21:49:56 GMT
That means a duplicate nomination paper. Two nominations for the same candidate = one candidate nominated. For two nominations to be valid they'll have to have received two deposits as well, and it seems unlikely that nobody on the Conservative team would have noticed that. Which is why I think it might be a council error in processing two sets of nominating signatures, and thought I'd ask if anybody knew what would happen if it is. Just because parties and candidates frequently cock-up nomination forms doesn't mean that council officers can't occasionally cock-up their side of the process. Sounds like an Elections Office cock-up.
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Post by therealriga on Nov 16, 2019 9:28:28 GMT
Is there a list of MPs seeking re-election who have defected since 2017?
I count 17, which is surely the highest since 1983?
Altrincham and Sale West: former Penistone MP Smith (LD) Beaconsfield: Grieve (Ind) Broxtowe: Soubry (TIG) Bury South: Lewis (Ind) Birkenhead: Field under his own party label Cities of London and Westminster: former Stretham MP Umunna (LD) Derby North: Williamson (Ind) Eddisbury: Sandbach (LD) Finchley and Golders Green: former Wavertree MP Berger (LD) Guildford: Milton (Ind) Ilford South: Gapes (TIG) Kensington: outgoing East Surrey MP Gyimah (LD) Luton South: Shuker (Ind) Nottingham East: Leslie (TIG) SW Hertfordshire: Gauke (Ind) Totnes: Wollaston (LD) Wokingham: former Bracknell MP Lee (LD)
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Post by BossMan on Nov 16, 2019 16:27:10 GMT
Is there a list of MPs seeking re-election who have defected since 2017?
I count 17, which is surely the highest since 1983?
Altrincham and Sale West: former Penistone MP Smith (LD) Beaconsfield: Grieve (Ind) Broxtowe: Soubry (TIG) Bury South: Lewis (Ind) Birkenhead: Field under his own party label Cities of London and Westminster: former Stretham MP Umunna (LD) Derby North: Williamson (Ind) Eddisbury: Sandbach (LD) Finchley and Golders Green: former Wavertree MP Berger (LD) Guildford: Milton (Ind) Ilford South: Gapes (TIG) Kensington: outgoing East Surrey MP Gyimah (LD) Luton South: Shuker (Ind) Nottingham East: Leslie (TIG) SW Hertfordshire: Gauke (Ind) Totnes: Wollaston (LD) Wokingham: former Bracknell MP Lee (LD) Thank you for this!
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Post by gwynthegriff on Nov 19, 2019 19:46:07 GMT
David Boothroyd old chap Who was the last Home Secretary to witness a royal birth ? William Joynson-Hicks. Conservative. 1926. I'm not David Boothroyd.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Nov 19, 2019 20:27:47 GMT
Isn't she a character in Shrek?
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Post by curiousliberal on Nov 23, 2019 16:39:31 GMT
Where can I find a schedule of hustings for my constituency, if there are any? A quick Google brings up nothing, and Manchester Council's site is silent on the subject.
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Post by greenchristian on Nov 23, 2019 16:53:38 GMT
Where can I find a schedule of hustings for my constituency, if there are any? A quick Google brings up nothing, and Manchester Council's site is silent on the subject. To the best of my knowledge there isn't anybody who compiles this information. It's up to whatever community groups choose to organise them to advertise.
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Post by johnloony on Nov 23, 2019 20:19:40 GMT
Where can I find a schedule of hustings for my constituency, if there are any? A quick Google brings up nothing, and Manchester Council's site is silent on the subject. Hustings meetings tend not to be publicised widely. The only ones I've ever known about were the ones when I was a candidate, and the ones organised for the 2015 general election. The best answer is to contact the main candidates or their agents and just ask. Even when I was a candidate, there were several hustings which I didn't know about because they only involved the main party candidates, and which I only found out about years later.
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Post by greenchristian on Nov 23, 2019 20:55:03 GMT
Where can I find a schedule of hustings for my constituency, if there are any? A quick Google brings up nothing, and Manchester Council's site is silent on the subject. Hustings meetings tend not to be publicised widely. The only ones I've ever known about were the ones when I was a candidate, and the ones organised for the 2015 general election. The best answer is to contact the main candidates or their agents and just ask. Even when I was a candidate, there were several hustings which I didn't know about because they only involved the main party candidates, and which I only found out about years later. There are two in my constituency. One organised by the Greenbelt campaign, who have publicised it just as much as they publicise their normal public meetings, via leaflets delivered to houses and via social media. One is organised by a local church, who seem to only have advertised by social media.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Nov 23, 2019 21:02:36 GMT
Where can I find a schedule of hustings for my constituency, if there are any? A quick Google brings up nothing, and Manchester Council's site is silent on the subject. Hustings meetings tend not to be publicised widely. The only ones I've ever known about were the ones when I was a candidate, and the ones organised for the 2015 general election. The best answer is to contact the main candidates or their agents and just ask. Even when I was a candidate, there were several hustings which I didn't know about because they only involved the main party candidates, and which I only found out about years later. In which case they should be recorded as election expenses. Public meetings to which only some parties are invited count as public meetings for those parties. I think.
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Post by greenchristian on Nov 23, 2019 21:10:27 GMT
Hustings meetings tend not to be publicised widely. The only ones I've ever known about were the ones when I was a candidate, and the ones organised for the 2015 general election. The best answer is to contact the main candidates or their agents and just ask. Even when I was a candidate, there were several hustings which I didn't know about because they only involved the main party candidates, and which I only found out about years later. In which case they should be recorded as election expenses. Public meetings to which only some parties are invited count as public meetings for those parties. I think. That's definitely true for hustings where the candidates are invited. It's less clear for public meetings where non-candidate representatives are invited instead (I'm actually aware of one such event in my constituency where representatives of Conservatives, Labour, and Liberal Democrats were invited, but when we asked to send a representative, were told no.).
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