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Post by greatkingrat on May 21, 2018 17:55:03 GMT
In UK - Newry and Armagh, Sinn Fein 47.9% (12489 majority). In GB - West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine, Conservative 47.9% (7950 majority) In England - Burnley, Labour 46.7% (6353 majority) In Wales - Ynys Mon, Labour 41.9% (5259 majority)
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Post by swanarcadian on May 25, 2018 22:29:23 GMT
To what extent is copyright a potential issue when sharing historical local election results online (particularly from before 1974)? I realise some excellent publications have been made on the subject - relatively recently; on the other hand, election results have all been announced by returning officers and are thus arguably public records and ought to be easily accessible to those who may wish to see them, and indeed share them.
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Post by offshore on May 26, 2018 16:17:55 GMT
To what extent is copyright a potential issue when sharing historical local election results online (particularly from before 1974)? I realise some excellent publications have been made on the subject - relatively recently; on the other hand, election results have all been announced by returning officers and are thus arguably public records and ought to be easily accessible to those who may wish to see them, and indeed share them. I had delayed responding as my personal acquaintance with this sort of issue was quite a while ago; so don't take this as legal advice! I was advised that where the original information is public domain, a publication only has copyright on a) their formatting of the data and b) replicating the data as a whole. So if you laid out tables and results the same as a specific book, then you could be in trouble under (a). (b) is obviously more difficult to prove, unless they can show that some of your info has to have been sourced from their book. For example, if they included some made up, or deliberately incorrect, figures, and you had the same errors. Examples are ghost roads in the A-Z atlases, fictional question/answers in quiz books, and sports results where inessential data like attendances are deliberately stated wrongly
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Post by andrewteale on May 26, 2018 18:04:03 GMT
That was pretty much my understanding as well.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on May 27, 2018 18:13:43 GMT
I believe formatting is only copyrighted for 25 years anyway.
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Post by jamie on Jun 3, 2018 22:31:40 GMT
What are the rules for determining which councillor is up election 1st in the event a double vacancy is filled? For example, there was a double vacancy in the Ryton ward of Gateshead which elected 2 new Labour councillors on 25% and 22.7% of the vote. The vacant seats were for the 2016 and 2018 cycles. Who would be up for election in 2020? I presume the 2nd place candidate who was elected would have the earlier election, but not 100% sure.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 3, 2018 22:42:53 GMT
What are the rules for determining which councillor is up election 1st in the event a double vacancy is filled? For example, there was a double vacancy in the Ryton ward of Gateshead which elected 2 new Labour councillors on 25% and 22.7% of the vote. The vacant seats were for the 2016 and 2018 cycles. Who would be up for election in 2020? I presume the 2nd place candidate who was elected would have the earlier election, but not 100% sure. You presume correctly
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Post by neilm on Jun 5, 2018 8:13:22 GMT
Examples are ghost roads in the A-Z atlases, fictional question/answers in quiz books, and sports results where inessential data like attendances are deliberately stated wrongly This last is why it is hard to put bets on attendance- too many sources leading to annoyed punters.
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Post by therealriga on Jun 5, 2018 11:48:45 GMT
Wasn't really an issue until the 1983 review, as almost all constituencies were counties or counties and compass points. Note that 'Mid-Ulster' was so named in the Initial Review (1948) at the suggestion of its nationalist MP, because although it included a lot of border country, it was about in the middle of the Province of Ulster. I have the map of the provisional proposals for the 1980-1983 review. Lagan Valley was originally Lagan and North Down was originally proposed as Loughside, with the commission explaining that they wanted to avoid confusion between the Westminster constituency and smaller local government district.
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Post by therealriga on Jun 5, 2018 11:54:53 GMT
Does anyone know the protocols or historical trends for naming constituencies in Northern Ireland? I understand some names like 'Foyle' avoid cross-community disputes, and the commission often uses county names, or geographic names like Strangford rather than towns (outside of Belfast and Newry and Armagh.) Is there a reason for the above? The irony of "Strangford" is that the town of that name is not included. However, the constituency does border the Strangford Lough. A worse example was the Belfast St Anne's constituency in the Stormont parliament, which didn't include its eponymous St Anne's cathedral. This was because it included most of the St Anne's ward, it just excluded the part of the ward around the cathedral. Blackstaff would have been a better name for it.
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Post by swanarcadian on Jun 7, 2018 15:45:30 GMT
How does a returning officer usually declare or give public notice of unopposed returns (or indeed, seats where no-one stands at all such as Yscir ward last year)? Does he or she have to announce the election verbally in the presence of anyone else?
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Post by johnloony on Jun 7, 2018 16:35:10 GMT
The irony of "Strangford" is that the town of that name is not included. However, the constituency does border the Strangford Lough. A worse example was the Belfast St Anne's constituency in the Stormont parliament, which didn't include its eponymous St Anne's cathedral. This was because it included most of the St Anne's ward, it just excluded the part of the ward around the cathedral. Blackstaff would have been a better name for it. On the same theme, the boundary changes in Croydon in 2002 had Whitehorse Manor ward expanded slightly to include Selhurst Park football ground; thus it was re-named Selhurst. In 2018 the boundaries shrank it again, and it no longer includes Selhurst Park - but kept the name Selhurst.
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jun 7, 2018 17:18:06 GMT
How does a returning officer usually declare or give public notice of unopposed returns (or indeed, seats where no-one stands at all such as Yscir ward last year)? Does he or she have to announce the election verbally in the presence of anyone else? I'd have thought those would have been published on the council website and public notice board only.
Anyway, what happens when no-one is nominated? Does co-option happen, or should there be a by-election?
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Post by greenchristian on Jun 7, 2018 17:21:51 GMT
Anyway, what happens when no-one is nominated? Does co-option happen, or should there be a by-election? My understanding is that co-option usually happens at parish/town council level, whilst by-elections are legally required for all such vacancies at principal authority or Westminster level.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jun 7, 2018 17:22:35 GMT
How does a returning officer usually declare or give public notice of unopposed returns (or indeed, seats where no-one stands at all such as Yscir ward last year)? Does he or she have to announce the election verbally in the presence of anyone else? I'd have thought those would have been published on the council website and public notice board only. Anyway, what happens when no-one is nominated? Does co-option happen, or should there be a by-election? 1. Long time since we have had an unopposed election round here but my recollection is that there was a declaration, preceding the first declaration of a contested election. 2. (I believe) principal area authorities have to keep advertising the vacancy, cannot co-opt. Parishes can co-opt.
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Post by froome on Jun 7, 2018 18:19:24 GMT
Is there any onus on parishes to co-opt? I suspect there will be some that are run by a small clique of long established councillors who will avoid co-opting, even when willing new blood volunteers.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jun 7, 2018 20:16:36 GMT
Is there any onus on parishes to co-opt? I suspect there will be some that are run by a small clique of long established councillors who will avoid co-opting, even when willing new blood volunteers. Full Council has to instruct the clerk to advertise the vacancies, so the council can chose not to co-opt, and can chose not to co-opt those who apply. We've recently had a Full Council chosing not to go to co-options, but that was because we had another vacancy which was still being advertised for election, so we were effectively deferring going to co-option so we could advertise both of them (and we actually advertise all standing vacancies). In this cycle we've once decided not to co-opt, I can't remember the details as I missed the meeting, but I think the applicant was the former "my mother was an alien" councillor. There's a detail I'm unsure of, but if a cyclical election results in a council with too few members it legally cannot function and is forced to recruit additional members. I'm not sure of the process as the council is inquorate so the council can't decide how to get the additional members, I think the primary authority takes over.
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Post by swanarcadian on Jul 4, 2018 20:32:33 GMT
Looking back at election results from the old Metropolitan Boroughs that existed between 1900 and 1965, does anyone know what these party abbreviations stood for?
From the City of Westminster: CDL MCD SDP (from around 1909)
From St. Marylebone: NPU NFDS
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Post by johnloony on Jul 4, 2018 21:49:04 GMT
Looking back at election results from the old Metropolitan Boroughs that existed between 1900 and 1965, does anyone know what these party abbreviations stood for? From the City of Westminster: CDL MCD SDP (from around 1909) From St. Marylebone: NPU NFDS I guess the last one is the Ational Ederation of Isabled [or Ischarged] Ervicemen. There was a Social Democratic Federation in the late 19th/ early 20th century, so there might have been a Ocial Emocratic Arty.
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Post by greatkingrat on Jul 4, 2018 22:17:28 GMT
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