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Post by alexrichards on Aug 10, 2019 12:12:32 GMT
I believe it'll be because the Mental Hospital was run by the County government. Probably the NHS removed the need to safeguard the facilities for the ratepayers by making sure the county owned the building itself.
Alas, these maps, though wonderful, still don't let me answer the question as to how Shirebrook parish was divided into wards, a division which was used to create Bolsover district's wards in 1973.
What sort of period are you looking at for this info? I can have a trawl of the BNA if that's helpful. A cursory search reveals a lot of reporting of Shirebrook council itself.
Basically, Shirebrook is described as being divided into Central, East, South and West wards, which presumably correspond to the old parish wards given the 1973 wards were very flexible on size so long as they could do it easily (see Long Eaton getting three 6 seat wards using the old Urban District Council). So any assistance on what that division actually was would be helpful.
Admittedly it's not particularly urgent as the wards were all unopposed on the two occasions they were used, but it would still be nice to move away from the nominal division I currently have.
I believe it'll be because the Mental Hospital was run by the County government. Probably the NHS removed the need to safeguard the facilities for the ratepayers by making sure the county owned the building itself.
Alas, these maps, though wonderful, still don't let me answer the question as to how Shirebrook parish was divided into wards, a division which was used to create Bolsover district's wards in 1973.
Have you tried here borders.ukdataservice.ac.uk/bds.html for the 1971 boundaries or did you need something earlier?
Only gets as far down as the parish itself.
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Post by andrewteale on Aug 11, 2019 15:02:05 GMT
Sandwell 2019. No changes based on 2015. No split wards (not taking account of by-elections or defections). That completes the West Midlands metropolitan county on LEAP for 2016.
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Post by edgbaston on Aug 11, 2019 17:02:16 GMT
Sandwell 2019. No changes based on 2015. No split wards (not taking account of by-elections or defections). That completes the West Midlands metropolitan county on LEAP for 2016. We love to see it
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Post by yorkshireluke on Aug 11, 2019 20:29:08 GMT
Sandwell 2019. No changes based on 2015. No split wards (not taking account of by-elections or defections). That completes the West Midlands metropolitan county on LEAP for 2016. We love to see it Yes, it is easy to map.
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Post by BossMan on Aug 11, 2019 21:20:43 GMT
Sandwell 2019. No changes based on 2015. No split wards (not taking account of by-elections or defections). That completes the West Midlands metropolitan county on LEAP for 2016. Which ward did Labour come closest to losing?
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Post by jamie on Aug 11, 2019 21:29:38 GMT
Which ward did Labour come closest to losing? Blackheath was a 5% majority over the Conservatives, Friar Park was a 10% majority over an independent. Every other ward had a majority of over 10%. The weird thing is the Conservatives must have won or been very close in a few wards at the general election but they always seem to underperform at local elections. West Bromwich West only had a majority of 13% at the general election and many wards are very safe for Labour but the Tories did not come within 13% in any ward in the entire constituency.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Aug 11, 2019 21:35:16 GMT
Which ward did Labour come closest to losing? Blackheath was a 5% majority over the Conservatives, Friar Park was a 10% majority over an independent. Every other ward had a majority of over 10%. The weird thing is the Conservatives must have won or been very close in a few wards at the general election but they always seem to underperform at local elections. West Bromwich West only had a majority of 13% at the general election and many wards are very safe for Labour but the Tories did not come within 13% in any ward in the entire constituency. On my figures the Conservatives would have carried Charlemont with Grove Vale and Great Barr with Yew Tree though the latter would have been very close. Both these wards are in West Bromwich East. The wards in West Bromwich West are relatively uniform but the Conservatives may have been close in Princes End and in the Halesowen & Rowley seat they would have been close in Blackheath
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Post by jamie on Aug 11, 2019 21:40:17 GMT
On my figures the Conservatives would have carried Charlemont with Grove Vale and Great Barr with Yew Tree though the latter would have been very close. Both these wards are in West Bromwich East. The wards in West Bromwich West are relatively uniform but the Conservatives may have been close in Princes End and in the Halesowen & Rowley seat they would have been close in Blackheath Labour won Claremont with Grove Vale by 12% in 2018 and 16% in 2019. They won Great Barr with Yew Tree by 38% in 2018 and 30% in 2019. I trust your figures will be pretty accurate, which just goes to show have terrible the Conservative underperformance in local council elections is here.
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Post by andrewteale on Aug 11, 2019 21:41:18 GMT
The last Sandwell ward to vote Conservative at local level was Charlemont with Grove Vale in 2011. Since then Labour have won everything with the exception of Princes End ward in 2014, which was a UKIP win.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Aug 11, 2019 21:48:32 GMT
On my figures the Conservatives would have carried Charlemont with Grove Vale and Great Barr with Yew Tree though the latter would have been very close. Both these wards are in West Bromwich East. The wards in West Bromwich West are relatively uniform but the Conservatives may have been close in Princes End and in the Halesowen & Rowley seat they would have been close in Blackheath Labour won Claremont with Grove Vale by 12% in 2018 and 16% in 2019. They won Great Barr with Yew Tree by 38% in 2018 and 30% in 2019. I trust your figures will be pretty accurate, which just goes to show have terrible the Conservative underperformance in local council elections is here. Well possibly not - 2017 was a very odd election. Of course my calculations would not have factored in those results having been made prior to then. Charlemont is a straightforward (relatively) middle class and owner occupied ward which tended to elect Conservative councillors fairly reliably up until a decade ago. Great Barr never really did ( can't remember when it did last - maybe 1992 from memory) and was a longstanding area of Lib Dem strength and the decline in their vote was accompanied by a rise in UKIP support - generally the kind of voters to have gone Conservative in 2017 and similar in character to the Short Heath and Willenhall North wards in Walsall which certainly did (but have also started to vote Conservative locally too). As I say difficult to be sure about much, especially not having local elections on the same day then as we had in 2015 for example
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Post by yorkshireluke on Aug 12, 2019 0:19:10 GMT
Here's something I'm experimenting with my new pet project, a map of the candidates' addresses in relation to the ward in the upcoming St Andrews & Docklands by-election.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Aug 12, 2019 11:03:38 GMT
Here's something I'm experimenting with my new pet project, a map of the candidates' addresses in relation to the ward in the upcoming St Andrews & Docklands by-election. View AttachmentThat looks like a 5 Star version of the maps I used to put on leaflets if our candidate lived in the ward and our rivals lived elsewhere ...
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Post by yorkshireluke on Aug 12, 2019 11:16:21 GMT
Here's something I'm experimenting with my new pet project, a map of the candidates' addresses in relation to the ward in the upcoming St Andrews & Docklands by-election. View AttachmentThat looks like a 5 Star version of the maps I used to put on leaflets if our candidate lived in the ward and our rivals lived elsewhere ... Might forward it to the Hull Lib Dems then.
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Post by David Ashforth on Aug 14, 2019 9:35:04 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 10:40:57 GMT
Here's something I'm experimenting with my new pet project, a map of the candidates' addresses in relation to the ward in the upcoming St Andrews & Docklands by-election. Are there any Data Protection/privacy issues here? Legally, I wouldn't have thought so - however even though it is public knowledge, I wouldn't blame any candidate for being discontented about this.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Aug 14, 2019 11:26:07 GMT
Are there any Data Protection/privacy issues here? Legally, I wouldn't have thought so - however even though it is public knowledge, I wouldn't blame any candidate for being discontented about this. Yeah - if that appeared on a leaflet I think it would be a bit creepy
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Post by yorkshireluke on Aug 14, 2019 23:11:09 GMT
Legally, I wouldn't have thought so - however even though it is public knowledge, I wouldn't blame any candidate for being discontented about this. Yeah - if that appeared on a leaflet I think it would be a bit creepy Perhaps, definitely nothing illegal about it seeing as the information is freely accessible to the public. But I do see the other view, will refrain from making the map this way in future, might just label the ward each candidate is from.
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Post by jamie on Aug 15, 2019 9:55:10 GMT
Perhaps, definitely nothing illegal about it seeing as the information is freely accessible to the public. But I do see the other view, will refrain from making the map this way in future, might just label the ward each candidate is from. Shame the new rules allow candidates to say “address in council area”. Would be much better to replace ‘council area’ with ‘ward’ or even just a town/village. Gives the public basic knowledge of where about they are from without being too intrusive.
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Post by piperdave on Aug 15, 2019 21:48:47 GMT
Yeah - if that appeared on a leaflet I think it would be a bit creepy Perhaps, definitely nothing illegal about it seeing as the information is freely accessible to the public. But I do see the other view, will refrain from making the map this way in future, might just label the ward each candidate is from. Just because information is in the public domain doesn't mean you can use it as you like. You might have established your lawful basis, but you would have to look at complying with all the other provisions of data protection law. It's possible some of the research provisions might allow you greater latitude, but you'd need to look at that more carefully.
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Post by Adrian on Aug 16, 2019 17:06:31 GMT
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