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Post by finsobruce on Feb 18, 2020 21:53:32 GMT
Here is a tip for displaying the higher level boundaries. Since the boundary files load asynchronously I can't specify the order on start up, so I am just showing the wards. I find the best view is achieved by switching on the local authorities first, then the current constituencies (if required), then switch the wards off and back on again so that they overlay the higher levels. Hello Kevin! *Waves*
hope you're well.
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Post by manchesterman on Feb 18, 2020 22:34:12 GMT
I know it's only February but can I nominate this for "Post of the Year"
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Post by European Lefty on Feb 19, 2020 0:48:30 GMT
IT'S CHRISTMAS AGAIN!!!!!
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Post by European Lefty on Feb 19, 2020 0:48:42 GMT
I know it's only February but can I nominate this for "Post of the Year" Seconded
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Post by tiberius on Feb 19, 2020 5:59:43 GMT
I know it's only February but can I nominate this for "Post of the Year" Seconded Thirded.
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Post by bjornhattan on Feb 19, 2020 7:56:27 GMT
I know it's only February but can I nominate this for "Post of the Year" Much as I want to agree, any post featuring a "Tyne Bridge" constituency will never win my support...
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 19, 2020 8:10:29 GMT
I know it's only February but can I nominate this for "Post of the Year" Much as I want to agree, any post featuring a "Tyne Bridge" constituency will never win my support... The Bishop will like it
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Post by tiberius on Feb 19, 2020 10:41:06 GMT
I'm toying with regional assemblies and such, with an average of 30k per elector. (all while the British Grenardiers plays in the background) Currently doing the North East.
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Post by bjornhattan on Feb 19, 2020 10:50:02 GMT
I'm toying with regional assemblies and such, with an average of 30k per elector. (all while the British Grenardiers plays in the background) Currently doing the North East. I had the same idea, but with a slightly smaller electorate - trying to force the Sunderland urban wards into a combination of seats proved genuinely impossible, and while I could chucked Whitburn or Houghton into a Sunderland seat I just chucked the towel in instead. I'm now trying to gerrymander the North East to be majority Conservative with 29 seats (using notional figures from Electoral Calculus). I've got Northumberland and North Tyneside to 5-1 and the boundaries are still somewhat sensible, so it might be easier than I think.
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Post by tiberius on Feb 19, 2020 11:03:58 GMT
I'm toying with regional assemblies and such, with an average of 30k per elector. (all while the British Grenardiers plays in the background) Currently doing the North East. I had the same idea, but with a slightly smaller electorate - trying to force the Sunderland urban wards into a combination of seats proved genuinely impossible, and while I could chucked Whitburn or Houghton into a Sunderland seat I just chucked the towel in instead. I'm now trying to gerrymander the North East to be majority Conservative with 29 seats (using notional figures from Electoral Calculus). I've got Northumberland and North Tyneside to 5-1 and the boundaries are still somewhat sensible, so it might be easier than I think. I only succeeded by having 4 seats borrow wards from outside Sunderland. A deviation increase to 15% might be a sensible way to cut the metaphorical Gordian knot in half.
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Post by bjornhattan on Feb 19, 2020 11:07:18 GMT
I had the same idea, but with a slightly smaller electorate - trying to force the Sunderland urban wards into a combination of seats proved genuinely impossible, and while I could chucked Whitburn or Houghton into a Sunderland seat I just chucked the towel in instead. I'm now trying to gerrymander the North East to be majority Conservative with 29 seats (using notional figures from Electoral Calculus). I've got Northumberland and North Tyneside to 5-1 and the boundaries are still somewhat sensible, so it might be easier than I think. I only succeeded by having 4 seats borrow wards from outside Sunderland. A deviation increase to 15% might be a sensible way to cut the metaphorical Gordian knot in half. I tried to avoid crossing the A19 or western Wear in Sunderland, thus dividing the city into three areas (which are very culturally distinct in practice). I went for a quota of about 22k but quite a high percentage, so I got two seats out of Washington and just squeezed two out of Houghton/Hetton. I came unstuck in the urban wards, trying to draw six seats from sixteen wards is tough. You need four threes and two pairs, but only St. Peter's and Fulwell is a viable pair (Silksworth and Ryhope/Barnes comes agonisingly close, if that worked you could build a plan around it).
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Post by The Bishop on Feb 19, 2020 11:31:02 GMT
Much as I want to agree, any post featuring a "Tyne Bridge" constituency will never win my support... The Bishop will like it I never said I *liked* it particularly. It does make a sort of sense though IMO <tin hat on>
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Post by bjornhattan on Feb 19, 2020 11:53:13 GMT
I never said I *liked* it particularly. It does make a sort of sense though IMO <tin hat on> I can see that argument - I grew up in the Gateshead bit of it (actually mostly when it was in Tyne Bridge constituency) and my area had far more in common with Newcastle city centre than some of the estates on the periphery of Gateshead like Harlow Green or Windy Nook. Ethnically diverse, a younger than average population, good qualifications but not so good jobs - that could describe the West End of Newcastle just as well as Bridges or Saltwell in Gateshead. So I can see why the seat is logical. It just rubs me up the wrong way for reasons I can't place. It'd be like combining the centres of Stockton and Middlesbrough together, or adding the South Bank to Cities of London and Westminster. Potentially logical, but not reflective of traditional ties.
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Post by tiberius on Feb 19, 2020 11:55:28 GMT
this is what I've got.
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Post by Chris from Brum on Feb 19, 2020 11:56:46 GMT
I never said I *liked* it particularly. It does make a sort of sense though IMO <tin hat on> I can see that argument - I grew up in the Gateshead bit of it (actually mostly when it was in Tyne Bridge constituency) and my area had far more in common with Newcastle city centre than some of the estates on the periphery of Gateshead like Harlow Green or Windy Nook. Ethnically diverse, a younger than average population, good qualifications but not so good jobs - that could describe the West End of Newcastle just as well as Bridges or Saltwell in Gateshead. So I can see why the seat is logical. It just rubs me up the wrong way for reasons I can't place. It'd be like combining the centres of Stockton and Middlesbrough together, or adding the South Bank to Cities of London and Westminster. Potentially logical, but not reflective of traditional ties. The centres of Gateshead and Newcastle face each other across the bridge(s). The same cannot be said of the centres of Stockton and Middlesbrough. OTOH, combining the centres of Manchester and Salford might work (runs for cover ...)
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Post by bjornhattan on Feb 19, 2020 12:06:27 GMT
this is what I've got. Not bad, but because of the quota you've split a lot of communities. Some will need to be for the maths to work out, but the following places are clearly split: Cramlington, Hexham, Ponteland, Chester-le-Street, Durham, Bishop Auckland, and Guisborough. I think Hexham could be fixed just by swapping Hexham East and South Tynedale (the latter's population is mainly in Slaley/Whittonstall which are more Prudhoe than Hexham). Some of your seats are very good though, I like the ones in the North West of Durham. Which quota did you use - 10%?
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Post by tiberius on Feb 19, 2020 12:18:43 GMT
this is what I've got. Not bad, but because of the quota you've split a lot of communities. Some will need to be for the maths to work out, but the following places are clearly split: Cramlington, Hexham, Ponteland, Chester-le-Street, Durham, Bishop Auckland, and Guisborough. I think Hexham could be fixed just by swapping Hexham East and South Tynedale (the latter's population is mainly in Slaley/Whittonstall which are more Prudhoe than Hexham). Some of your seats are very good though, I like the ones in the North West of Durham. Which quota did you use - 10%? +/- 15%, but the overwhelming majority of seats are within 10% (I think). I'm not really happy about many places ending split, but the only real way to change that would be smaller seats; so a 100 seat assembly as opposed to 62.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 19, 2020 12:28:24 GMT
Not bad, but because of the quota you've split a lot of communities. Some will need to be for the maths to work out, but the following places are clearly split: Cramlington, Hexham, Ponteland, Chester-le-Street, Durham, Bishop Auckland, and Guisborough. I think Hexham could be fixed just by swapping Hexham East and South Tynedale (the latter's population is mainly in Slaley/Whittonstall which are more Prudhoe than Hexham). Some of your seats are very good though, I like the ones in the North West of Durham. Which quota did you use - 10%? +/- 15%, but the overwhelming majority of seats are within 10% (I think). I'm not really happy about many places ending split, but the only real way to change that would be smaller seats; so a 100 seat assembly as opposed to 62. Well yes - the Landtag for Northumbria does have 100 seats vote-2012.proboards.com/post/129693/thread
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Post by minionofmidas on Feb 19, 2020 18:46:17 GMT
I never said I *liked* it particularly. It does make a sort of sense though IMO <tin hat on> Still prefer my Tyne Tunnel proposal!
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Post by Foggy on Feb 19, 2020 20:09:34 GMT
My browsers or connection still seem to think the site is down, for some reason. Glad to see the rest of you appear to have got it working though. Enjoy!
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