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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2013 21:07:44 GMT
No one has started one up uet for this date.
No SOPN for Aldridge yet but understand
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Labour people seem positive at response on the doorstep and seems Tories have a vote UKIP get Labour message out ..
2012 result
Conservative Thomas Gordon Ansell 1,602
Labour Michael Johnson 735
UKIP Russell Owen Armitage 517
Liberal Democrat Joanna Bridget Sheward 358
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Post by Chris on Jul 22, 2013 22:40:49 GMT
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Post by marksenior on Jul 23, 2013 5:04:19 GMT
Technically , Bob Wootton is No Description rather than an Independent . |
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Post by froome on Jul 23, 2013 6:18:00 GMT
Just out of interest, what is the difference between someone being described as Independent and No Description? I assume it is only that they have gone to the trouble of filling in the nomination form with the word 'Independent' on it under the party description rather than leaving it blank. For voters, I would imagine that Independent suggests that the person is not a member of a political party while having no decsription doesn't preclude this, but as we know, there are many Independent candidates and councillors who are members of political parties. Other than that, what difference is there? If an Independent group is formed (or indeed several as we see in our favourite authorities  , there is no compulsion on any person joining or not joining, whether they are described as Independent or have no description. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 23, 2013 8:22:03 GMT
When I aggregate votes by constituency, borough or whatever I always put the No Descriptions in the Independent column
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Post by marksenior on Jul 23, 2013 8:37:26 GMT
Just out of interest, what is the difference between someone being described as Independent and No Description? I assume it is only that they have gone to the trouble of filling in the nomination form with the word 'Independent' on it under the party description rather than leaving it blank. For voters, I would imagine that Independent suggests that the person is not a member of a political party while having no decsription doesn't preclude this, but as we know, there are many Independent candidates and councillors who are members of political parties. Other than that, what difference is there? If an Independent group is formed (or indeed several as we see in our favourite authorities , there is no compulsion on any person joining or not joining, whether they are described as Independent or have no description. Am Independent has filled in his nomination form and put Independent in the Party Description box . A No Description candidate has not . One possibility which has happened before with other parties is that the candidate wants to describe himself has Party A but has forgotten to bring with them the necessary form to allow himself to do so . He then ends up described as No Description . I have no idea what the actual position is in this case . |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 23, 2013 8:38:58 GMT
Someday someone is going to have to go to the trouble of doing a survey to try to establish whether candidates who leave the description box blank do better or worse than those who put in 'Independent'.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2013 18:10:13 GMT
Aldridge Central and South
Chris Newey (English Democrats - "Putting England First")
Roy Sheward (Lib Dem)
Timothy Simon Wilson (Con)
Bob Grainger (Lab)
Liz Hazell (UKIP)
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Post by piperdave on Jul 23, 2013 20:11:42 GMT
Particularly on some of the island councils, you'll find that the No Descriptions are party members, or identify strongly with a party but party candidates are not the done thing there. Independents are more often genuinely independent of anyone else's views.
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Post by andrewteale on Jul 23, 2013 22:21:25 GMT
When I aggregate votes by constituency, borough or whatever I always put the No Descriptions in the Independent column LEAP has the same policy. |
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Post by tim13 on Jul 23, 2013 23:03:41 GMT
Torridge DC often elects independents (many different varieties). A likely scenario is that he didn't want to go so far as to declare himself Independent (capital I, ie Independent Party) but was prepared for a half way house appealing to voters who may not be aware he is a Lib Dem, while not opposing any official Lib Dems. Experience shows at present that people are unlikely to be elected under the Lib Dem banner in any but the strongest and most active places. Shebbear and Langtree certainly would not qualify under that heading.
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Post by greatkingrat on Aug 1, 2013 20:08:55 GMT
HARTLEPOOL - Manor House (Labour resigned)
2012 - Lab 906/822/808, Hart1st 305, UKIP 289, BNP 230, Con 105/79/70 (new ward)
Allan BARCLAY (The Labour Party Candidate)
Tom HIND (UK Independence Party)
Mandy LOYNES (Local Conservatives)
Mick STEVENS (Putting Hartlepool First)
TORRIDGE - Shebbear and Langtry (Conservative resigned)
2011 - Con 468, LD 273
2007 - Con 411, LD 373
2003 - LD 389, CommAll 226
David HURLEY (The Conservative Party Candidate)
Colin JONES (Green Party)
Penny MILLS (United Kingdom Independence Party)
Bob WOOTTON
WALSALL - Aldridge Central and South (Conservative died)
2012 - Con 1602, Lab 735, UKIP 517, LD 358
2011 - Con 2719/2553, Lab 976/967, LD 632, UKIP 552/378
2010 - Con 3827, LD 1446, Lab 1324, UKIP 629, Grn 155
2008 - Con 2306, Lab 507, UKIP 442, LD 382
2007 - Con 2310, UKIP 775, Lab 625, LD 436
2006 - Con 2367, BNP 749, Lab 555, LD 437, Ind 229
Bob GRAINGER (Labour Party Candidate)
Liz HAZELL (UK Independence Party (UKIP))
Chris NEWEY (English Democrats - "Putting England First!")
Roy SHEWARD (Liberal Democrat)
Timothy WILSON (The Conservative Party Candidate)
WEST BERKSHIRE - Hungerford (Conservative died)
2011 - Con 1315/1178, LD 840/711
2007 - Con 1244/1189, LD 924/821
2003 - LD 1065/1046, Con 885/881
Denise GAINES (Liberal Democrats)
James PODGER (Conservative)
Gary PUFFETT (Labour)
Andrew STOTT (United Peoples Party)
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Post by andrewteale on Aug 1, 2013 20:14:44 GMT
I'm going to enjoy writing the Manor House preview; my grandparents (both now dead) used to live in the ward and my dad grew up there. The Manor is Owton Manor.
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Post by No Offence Alan on Aug 1, 2013 20:49:13 GMT
Particularly on some of the island councils, you'll find that the No Descriptions are party members, or identify strongly with a party but party candidates are not the done thing there. Independents are more often genuinely independent of anyone else's views. Don't councillors have to declare membership of a political party under their "Declaration of Interests"? In which case they could only keep their membership secret for their first election to office. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2013 8:26:51 GMT
In Aldridge if I was a betting man I would say a narrow Tory hold
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Aug 8, 2013 8:33:05 GMT
You don't have to be a betting man to say it - only to bet on it. I take it you think UKIP will come close then?
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Post by The Bishop on Aug 8, 2013 9:14:41 GMT
Could be a fairly close 3-way finish if the Labour vote holds up?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2013 9:27:17 GMT
Could be a fairly close 3-way finish if the Labour vote holds up? yep thats my feeling from the information I can see flying across from Labour people. We have a good area where the vote is doing well and if that holds up (and there is a local issue as well regarding a youth facility) then if it is not a close three way I would be shocked. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2013 9:30:51 GMT
You don't have to be a betting man to say it - only to bet on it. I take it you think UKIP will come close then? yep there has been a good sized vote there for a while and doubt it will be any smaller .... If they did odds and UKIP was say 2/3-1 I would put a fiver on it. |
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Post by David Ashforth on Aug 10, 2013 19:01:43 GMT
| Ward map | ONS data | | HARTLEPOOL - Manor House | link | link | | TORRIDGE - Shebbear and Langtree | link | link | | WALSALL - Aldridge Central and South | link | link | | WEST BERKSHIRE - Hungerford | link | link |
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, there is no compulsion on any person joining or not joining, whether they are described as Independent or have no description.
