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Post by swingometer on Apr 28, 2024 13:35:52 GMT
How does everyone think the poll would go, I think people in normal circumstances would very narrowly vote against it, but if a particularly evil murder came up on the news expect the result to flip very easily. Thoughts on constituency results as well?
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Post by johnloony on Apr 28, 2024 14:27:28 GMT
It would be massively and overwhelmingly defeated.
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Apr 28, 2024 14:28:08 GMT
Bit of an odd fantasy to have. In any case, this isn't the sort of issue we have referendums on in this country and the salience of the issue has faded considerably over time: there used to be regular debates about it in Parliament and now there are not. As an issue with the public it became quite a complicated one from the 1950s onwards, with a lot of people who supported the idea of it in theory but had doubts about its application after certain notorious miscarriages of justice, thus the lack of any meaningful political backlash to abolition when it won the day.
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Post by swingometer on Apr 28, 2024 14:30:06 GMT
Bit of an odd fantasy to have. In any case, this isn't the sort of issue we have referendums on in this country and the salience of the issue has faded considerably over time: there used to be regular debates about it in Parliament and now there are not. As an issue with the public it became quite a complicated one from the 1950s onwards, with a lot of people who supported the idea of it in theory but had doubts about its application after certain notorious miscarriages of justice, thus the lack of any meaningful political backlash to abolition when it won the day. Not too odd I think, you hear loud voices calling for it now and then, a minority of course. As for my own views, I’d support it wholeheartedly for scum of the earth, but it’s the miscarriage of justice point that makes me think twice |
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Post by greatkingrat on Apr 28, 2024 14:42:15 GMT
I'd vote no, except for people who keep spamming the forum with stupid threads.
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Post by peterl on Apr 28, 2024 17:45:03 GMT
I think the percentage yes vote would be higher now than it would have been say 20 years ago. Probably about 60-40 against. Certainly it's true that if a sadistic murderer was in the news a lot in the run up that would favor the yes campaign.
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Post by swingometer on Apr 28, 2024 18:21:29 GMT
I think the percentage yes vote would be higher now than it would have been say 20 years ago. Probably about 60-40 against. Certainly it's true that if a sadistic murderer was in the news a lot in the run up that would favor the yes campaign. Reporting restrictions needed lol |
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Post by swingometer on Apr 28, 2024 19:10:04 GMT
I'd vote no, except for people who keep spamming the forum with stupid threads. m One more stupid thread to come |
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Post by European Lefty on Apr 28, 2024 19:17:11 GMT
If there was a particular horrid crime in the news during the campaign it would be a narrow yes vote. If there was a miscarriage of justice in the news during the campaign there would be a no vote.
I would always vote no and absolutely nothing will ever convince that capital punishment can ever be justified.
But this is never, ever going to be the subject of a referendum
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Apr 28, 2024 19:19:22 GMT
I'd vote no.
Whilst many of my views and opinions have gone through ups and downs and roundabouts, I've always been an opponent of the death penalty. It's not justice: it's revenge. It's not a deterrent to someone already resigned to injury or death while carrying out a crime. I've no doubt that it'll become a culture war issue amongst the newly energised right-wing Conservative Party. We'd be a weaker country for having it.
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Post by swanarcadian on Apr 28, 2024 19:35:05 GMT
The maps that accompany online petitions to Parliament, whilst far from reliable, are probably the best indicators you’re going to get at constituency level.
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Post by Daft H'a'porth A'peth A'pith on Apr 28, 2024 20:27:24 GMT
I suspect a referendum would back capital punishment by at least 60-40. .
Nothing scientific behind the figures just my gut feeling.
Personally I'd vote against.
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Post by rcronald on Apr 29, 2024 5:56:45 GMT
Not sure how it’ll go, but I suspect that the Tory and Labour area shares would be surprisingly similar, with LDs being strongly against it.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Apr 29, 2024 6:04:43 GMT
I'd be tempted to vote in favour, and I suspect a vote in favour of the death penalty would be the result, perhaps 52-48%. Politicians, of all parties, and the judiciary have failed the public when it comes to punishing particularly abominable criminals and that anger, accompanied by the endless examples of such murderers, by the in favour side might swing it. It would be a deeply emotional and divisive campaign.
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 29, 2024 10:27:17 GMT
It is, to a significant degree, a generational issue in the same way that Brexit is. And polls have been clear about the downward trend in popular support over time - back in the 1980s figures of 70-75% for supporting restoring the death penalty were often recorded, and used by Tory MPs to argue for its return.
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Post by markgoodair on Apr 29, 2024 13:35:39 GMT
Considering that under the ECHR capital punishment is banned this is nothing but mindless fantasy.
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Post by peterl on Apr 29, 2024 15:45:35 GMT
Considering that under the ECHR capital punishment is banned this is nothing but mindless fantasy. Tbh, the more likely referendum would be on leaving the ECHR. Such a vote has already been raised as a possibility. |
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Post by markgoodair on Apr 29, 2024 16:02:03 GMT
Considering that under the ECHR capital punishment is banned this is nothing but mindless fantasy. Tbh, the more likely referendum would be on leaving the ECHR. Such a vote has already been raised as a possibility. Considering that it is a legal requirement for the UK to remain within the ECHR under the Good Friday Agreement any talk of leaving is again pure mindless fantasy. |
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Post by peterl on Apr 29, 2024 16:04:54 GMT
Tbh, the more likely referendum would be on leaving the ECHR. Such a vote has already been raised as a possibility. Considering that it is a legal requirement for the UK to remain within the ECHR under the Good Friday Agreement any talk of leaving is again pure mindless fantasy. Maybe Northern Ireland could remain under the European boot and the rest of the country not. |
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Post by johnloony on Apr 29, 2024 16:54:50 GMT
Tbh, the more likely referendum would be on leaving the ECHR. Such a vote has already been raised as a possibility. Considering that it is a legal requirement for the UK to remain within the ECHR under the Good Friday Agreement any talk of leaving is again pure mindless fantasy. Considering that it would be easy for Parliament to legislate for the UK to leave the ECHR if it wanted to, any talk of leaving it is a realistic possibility. I want the UK to stay in the ECHR |
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