Local Council by-elections 3rd August 2023

[Pete Whitehead]

Aug 4, 2023 8:34:34 GMT weld said:

Aug 4, 2023 8:33:15 GMT Pete Whitehead said:

As usual your comment bears no relationship to the post you purport to be replying to. I couldn't give a fuck who controls East Sussex county council and have no need to deflect anything

The nitpicking in your earliest post was OTT, even for you.

My initial observation was perfectly normal pedantry which should be expected and respected on this forum where everyone should care about the distiinction between a ward and a division (and one would expect the ALDC to do so also). The post you were quoting was in response to yellowperil seeking to excuse their error on the basis that the county division had the same boundaries as the district ward, as if this introduced some kind of ambiguity to the situation. This was a fuckwitted take which merited the response it got.
I can appreciate that fuckwitted takes are something you are able to relate to.

[weld]

Aug 4, 2023 8:40:39 GMT Pete Whitehead said:

Aug 4, 2023 8:34:34 GMT weld said:

The nitpicking in your earliest post was OTT, even for you.

My initial observation was perfectly normal pedantry which should be expected and respected on this forum where everyone should care about the distiinction between a ward and a division (and one would expect the ALDC to do so also). The post you were quoting was in response to yellowperil seeking to excuse their error on the basis that the county division had the same boundaries as the district ward, as if this introduced some kind of ambiguity to the situation. This was a fuckwitted take which merited the response it got.
I can appreciate that fuckwitted takes are something you are able to relate to.

Lol. You’re getting like Richard Allen with that acrid tongue.

[timmullen1]

Aug 4, 2023 8:42:32 GMT weld said:

Aug 4, 2023 8:40:39 GMT Pete Whitehead said:

My initial observation was perfectly normal pedantry which should be expected and respected on this forum where everyone should care about the distiinction between a ward and a division (and one would expect the ALDC to do so also). The post you were quoting was in response to yellowperil seeking to excuse their error on the basis that the county division had the same boundaries as the district ward, as if this introduced some kind of ambiguity to the situation. This was a fuckwitted take which merited the response it got.
I can appreciate that fuckwitted takes are something you are able to relate to.

Lol. You’re getting like Richard Allen with that acrid tongue.

“Getting” may be superfluous.

[Pete Whitehead]

Aug 4, 2023 8:42:32 GMT weld said:

Aug 4, 2023 8:40:39 GMT Pete Whitehead said:

My initial observation was perfectly normal pedantry which should be expected and respected on this forum where everyone should care about the distiinction between a ward and a division (and one would expect the ALDC to do so also). The post you were quoting was in response to yellowperil seeking to excuse their error on the basis that the county division had the same boundaries as the district ward, as if this introduced some kind of ambiguity to the situation. This was a fuckwitted take which merited the response it got.
I can appreciate that fuckwitted takes are something you are able to relate to.

Lol. You’re getting like Richard Allen with that acrid tongue.

I'm quite happy to be compared with Richard Allen , who was at the opposite end of the spectrum to you in terms of the value of his contributions to this site.

[Davıd Boothroyd]

Most monitoring officers will advise that members who were absent for part of the presentation and debate on a planning issue should not vote, through fears the decision would then be judicially reviewable - though I don't know there is firm case law on it.

Full council decisions on the local plan are a bit different, but they're far more likely to attract a Judicial Review action.

[Chris from Brum]

Any news/noise from Norfolk?

[The Bishop]

Aug 4, 2023 5:34:52 GMT tonyhill said:

An encouraging result for the LibDems in Norcot which, if my memory serves me correctly, used to be held by the Liberals many years ago.

They probably put a bit of effort in, which they evidently haven't in recent years. Labour should be pleased to have maintained its share in those circumstances.

[phil156]

Aug 4, 2023 9:31:17 GMT Chris from Brum said:

Any news/noise from Norfolk?

    I have nothing mind you they only started at 10am 

[carolus]

LD gain in Norfolk

[The Bishop]

Utterly dire week for the Tories all round.

And three LibDem gains after a months long drought!

[Tony Otim]

Completes a very good week for the Lib Dems - I did wonder when I saw the post up thread indicating they were putting in a lot of effort whether they might get a good result from nowhere here.

[andrewp]

I will keep this updated each week.

Excluding countermanded elections, there have now been 33 ordinary by elections since May 4th.

The Conservatives have defended 9 - Held 3 and lost 6: 3 to the Greens, 2 to the Lib Dem’s and 1 to Labour( retention rate 33% ), and have gained 2
Labour have defended 15 - Held 9 and lost 6: 2 to the Conservatives, 2 to Independents, 1 to the Lib Dem’s and 1 to the Greens( retention rate 60%) and have gained 3
Lib Dem’s have defended 5. Held 4 and lost 1 to the Greens ( retention rate 80%) and have gained 3
Greens have defended 1. Held 0 and lost 1 to an Independent( retention rate 0%!) and have gained 5
Independents have defended 1. Held 1 and gained 3
SNP have defended 2. Lost 2- both to Labour ( retention rate 0%)

Overall net changes

Con -4
Lab -3
LD +2
Green +4
Ind +3
SNP -2

[jamesdoyle]

Aug 4, 2023 10:15:49 GMT The Bishop said:

Utterly dire week for the Tories all round.

And three LibDem gains after a months long drought!

I am at work at the moment so can't do the GWBWI scores, but it was already bad without Norfolk.

Would have liked a Green gain in Norfolk, but a LibDem gain is a very satisfactory substitute

[carolus]

Norfolk, Freebridge Lynn

LD 38.4% (+38.4)
Con 31.0% (-33.7)
Green 24.0% (+4.3)
Lab 6.6% (-9.0)

[yellowperil]

Aug 4, 2023 8:40:39 GMT Pete Whitehead said:

Aug 4, 2023 8:34:34 GMT weld said:

The nitpicking in your earliest post was OTT, even for you.

My initial observation was perfectly normal pedantry which should be expected and respected on this forum where everyone should care about the distiinction between a ward and a division (and one would expect the ALDC to do so also). The post you were quoting was in response to yellowperil seeking to excuse their error on the basis that the county division had the same boundaries as the district ward, as if this introduced some kind of ambiguity to the situation. This was a fuckwitted take which merited the response it got.
I can appreciate that fuckwitted takes are something you are able to relate to.

Pedantry is pedantry, it is never a perfectly normal reaction. I absolutely agree that your statement about the difference between wards and divisions is correct, but maybe more than a little erring on the side of pedantry. I hold no brief for ALDC and was not seeking to excuse them for their error- it was more an explanation of how such errors occur.  I imagine their info came from the Eastbourne borough party  who will be very much geared to fighting in the Eastbourne wards, and will think of Eastbourne Meads as one of toughest Tory wards to crack. The managed 1/3 of the seats in the last borough elections, itself an incredible achievement. This time they won it when the ward has temporarily turned itself into the East Sussex division. I don't imagine the focus was on the county that much and I'm not surprised they referred to it as the ward - even tho' the side benefit was sending East Sussex into NOC.

I do know Meads very well given it is home to my brother, and I visit several times in a typical year. It is much posher than most of Eastbourne, but I know a lot of people there who are not just Tory but viscerally anti-Lib Dem.  It is mostly the bit uphill from  most of Eastbourne climbing up towards the South Downs and Beachy Head, looking down literally and metaphorically on central Eastbourne. When Meads goes Lib Dem you know the world's clock has stopped.  

[bigfatron]

That Norfolk result is quite something - I have a vague feeling we have generally been pretty weak in King's Lynn despite our strength in North Norfolk along the coast (but I may well be wrong)

[yellowperil]

Aug 4, 2023 10:13:27 GMT carolus said:

LD gain in Norfolk

I do like the pic of Castle Rising as an indication of the sort of places now falling to the Lib Dem onslought.

[carlton43]

Aug 4, 2023 8:22:42 GMT Toylyyev said:

Yes.

PS. The vote did pass 20 to 13 with one abstention.

'Coady-Stemp' seems like the sort of 'Social disease' that is invasive, irritating and difficult to cure (like cold sores), but not life threatening!

[nodealbrexiteer]

Aug 4, 2023 11:06:12 GMT carlton43 said:

Aug 4, 2023 8:22:42 GMT Toylyyev said:

Yes.

PS. The vote did pass 20 to 13 with one abstention.

'Coady-Stemp' seems like the sort of 'Social disease' that is invasive, irritating and difficult to cure (like cold sores), but not life threatening!

Maybe it could be cauterised

[The Bishop]

Aug 4, 2023 10:17:12 GMT Tony Otim said:

Completes a very good week for the Lib Dems - I did wonder when I saw the post up thread indicating they were putting in a lot of effort whether they might get a good result from nowhere here.

Must admit I thought that the Greens and LibDems both fighting it hard might let the Tories hold on - but your share more than halved in a seat like that is awesomely bad.