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Post by Merseymike on Mar 30, 2017 9:37:32 GMT
I'm currently doing an MBA. I've not thought about a doctorate before (my mother has two and I've got several friends with assorted varieties of doctorate and frankly its never interested me) but I'm contemplating moving onto a DBA. I wouldn't recommend it unless you really want to do it and have chosen a topic which fascinates you
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Post by neilm on Mar 30, 2017 10:05:19 GMT
It took one of my friends 7 years including 18 months fieldwork overseas. I don't know anyone who completed a PhD in 3 years, even scientists. It's bloody hard work, which is why I decided not to do it, despite being "3-year funded" and went and earned a living instead. I did it in 2 years 10 months. If you are a scientist and get lucky with your project sub 3 is achievable. I know someone who did a sub 2 in chemistry (which stemmed from an undergraduate project). Admittedly that person then did a PhD in maths with no mathematical background and got a faculty position at Oxford before he was 30, so he's a bjt of an outlier. Yes, I know people who have managed it in under three: all scientists/engineers though. I'm aware of an economist who managed it in under three but he's a bit...unusual. I'm currently doing an MBA. I've not thought about a doctorate before (my mother has two and I've got several friends with assorted varieties of doctorate and frankly its never interested me) but I'm contemplating moving onto a DBA. I wouldn't recommend it unless you really want to do it and have chosen a topic which fascinates you Yeah, it's kind of at the back of my mind. I'm capable of doing one but I've not yet found the thing that really interests me. As with joe's friend who had his stem from an undergraduate project, I nearly embarked on an MSc on the basis of an undergraduate essay with a view to a doctorate. It was the best thing I've ever written and won two prizes- I'm not sure I'd be able to write something that good now, and anyway rules on footnotes not contributing to word limits are far tighter (I was able to get in loads of extra commentary that way). I don't find fiscal policy very interesting now so glad I didn't pursue it. When did having a masters become a prerequisite for beginning a doctorate? At least a couple of my acquaintances don't have one despite being able to don a floppy bonnet.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 10:23:38 GMT
I know one anthropologist which finished in three years, but she specifically wanted to finish as quickly as possible, and I'm pretty sure she didn't teach during that time either (or if she did, then she did nowhere near as much as I do). She was also fully funded. When did having a masters become a prerequisite for beginning a doctorate? At least a couple of my acquaintances don't have one despite being able to don a floppy bonnet. It depends on the discipline. I don't have a masters, for instance -- I went straight from undergraduate to a partially funded PhD (well technically I had a year off in between) but it was dependent on a) having a First in anthropology from undergraduate, and b) being funded by the university rather than by one of the research councils (the ESRC require their fundees to complete various courses in generic social science research methods, regardless of whether they are directly relevant to the PhD).
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Post by neilm on Mar 30, 2017 10:32:00 GMT
Yes, the ESRC courses are often irrelevant. And tedious- not just because they're irrelevant but because of the number of undergraduate programmes that contain them anyway. The other research councils don't seem to be as restrictive on this.
University funded ones seem to be far more common now- obviously there is scope there to vary 'entry requirements.'
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 10:34:44 GMT
I did woodwork at school. We called it craft, design and technology at my school. We learned lots of useful life skills, like how to play truant without getting caught, smoking etc. But we couldn't afford fancy stuff like wood and saws. There are, however, many fascinating things you can build with bog rolls.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Mar 30, 2017 10:36:11 GMT
I'd have loved to have done my masters and doctorate, and it is to my lingering regret that I did not. Getting more than a year into my first degree would have suited me ...
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Post by neilm on Mar 30, 2017 10:39:45 GMT
I did woodwork at school. We called it craft, design and technology at my school. We learned lots of useful life skills, like how to play truant without getting caught, smoking etc. But we couldn't afford fancy stuff like wood and saws. There are, however, many fascinating things you can build with bog rolls. Isn't CDT the 90s name for it?
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Post by gwynthegriff on Mar 30, 2017 10:41:05 GMT
I did woodwork at school. I failed woodwork. And my metalwork was worse. My brother made a career of it. Ended up as some sort of Chief Inspector of Education in the subject. I don't believe in genetics.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 10:45:53 GMT
We called it craft, design and technology at my school. We learned lots of useful life skills, like how to play truant without getting caught, smoking etc. But we couldn't afford fancy stuff like wood and saws. There are, however, many fascinating things you can build with bog rolls. Isn't CDT the 90s name for it? I wasn't aware of that, but sounds about right.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 30, 2017 10:56:38 GMT
I got a GCSE in Craft, Design and Technology in 1989.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Mar 30, 2017 10:58:43 GMT
It was also CDT when I did it in the early 80s
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 30, 2017 11:05:15 GMT
CDT when I started in 1996. But I believe the school had called it that for a long time.
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Post by hedgehog on Mar 30, 2017 11:42:13 GMT
My school seemed to specialise in ADHD, that however was before it was hip and cool .
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 30, 2017 13:09:06 GMT
If EAL couldn't last a PHD (all of 3 years wasting who's money in funding?) he's hardly going to be considered parliamentary material. Unless EAL joins UKIP with Nuttal? What was the research on PHD? Erm. What exactly qualifies you to comment on what it takes to get a PhD? If it's that you have one, I'd recommend looking up whose and who's. If not, before mocking someone for the progress of their work, consider banging your head against a wall and calling yourself stupid for a few years to get a taste of the process. Great fun. Nothing compares. Really. Well! Who is being possessive here?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 13:18:17 GMT
Erm. What exactly qualifies you to comment on what it takes to get a PhD? If it's that you have one, I'd recommend looking up whose and who's. If not, before mocking someone for the progress of their work, consider banging your head against a wall and calling yourself stupid for a few years to get a taste of the process. Great fun. Nothing compares. Really. Well! Who is being possessive here? Why possessive? I'm just saying it tends to be emotionally draining, and that nobody should be mocked for not completing a PhD (unless they pretend that they have actually finished it). Mock EAL's politics if you have to - he doesn't hold back - but that's a bit personal and borders on bullying. The stress of a PhD is unlike anything else. I've been part of negotiations for the transfer of major state assets, had huge workloads as a practitioner and as an academic, and none of it compares to the strain of a PhD. I know this firsthand, from my family, and from my supervisees. I don't know anybody who hasn't supervised or worked on a PhD who understands this.
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Post by neilm on Mar 30, 2017 13:49:48 GMT
Well! Who is being possessive here? Why possessive? I'm just saying it tends to be emotionally draining, and that nobody should be mocked for not completing a PhD (unless they pretend that they have actually finished it). Mock EAL's politics if you have to - he doesn't hold back - but that's a bit personal and borders on bullying. The stress of a PhD is unlike anything else. I've been part of negotiations for the transfer of major state assets, had huge workloads as a practitioner and as an academic, and none of it compares to the strain of a PhD. I know this firsthand, from my family, and from my supervisees. I don't know anybody who hasn't supervised or worked on a PhD who understands this. I think it was the who's/whose thing that related to possession.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 13:51:00 GMT
Why possessive? I'm just saying it tends to be emotionally draining, and that nobody should be mocked for not completing a PhD (unless they pretend that they have actually finished it). Mock EAL's politics if you have to - he doesn't hold back - but that's a bit personal and borders on bullying. The stress of a PhD is unlike anything else. I've been part of negotiations for the transfer of major state assets, had huge workloads as a practitioner and as an academic, and none of it compares to the strain of a PhD. I know this firsthand, from my family, and from my supervisees. I don't know anybody who hasn't supervised or worked on a PhD who understands this. I think it was the who's/whose thing that related to possession. oh; is there a blushing smiley?
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Mar 30, 2017 14:49:28 GMT
I'd have loved to have done my masters and doctorate, and it is to my lingering regret that I did not. Getting more than a year into my first degree would have suited me ... I got two and a half years into mine. In terms of time, at least. In terms of study, I probably got about half a term in.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 15:27:46 GMT
We called it craft, design and technology at my school. We learned lots of useful life skills, like how to play truant without getting caught, smoking etc. But we couldn't afford fancy stuff like wood and saws. There are, however, many fascinating things you can build with bog rolls. Isn't CDT the 90s name for it? It was "design and realisation" at my school in the 90s.
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Post by neilm on Mar 30, 2017 15:34:26 GMT
Isn't CDT the 90s name for it? It was "design and realisation" at my school in the 90s. We had 'resistant materials' at one point. I binned that off and did home economics instead, which I think was the final year that it was available, being replaced by the dreadful food technology course.
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