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Post by Arthur Figgis on Jul 22, 2020 15:05:29 GMT
Change the title of the thread to Parliamentary By-Elections. None of this rumoured and ramped nonsense. That would make this thread blank. Actual by-elections have their own dedicated thread.
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Jul 22, 2020 15:14:53 GMT
That would make this thread blank. Actual by-elections have their own dedicated thread. Delete the thread then. Ignore it if you don't want to read it.
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Post by timmullen1 on Jul 22, 2020 15:17:53 GMT
That would make this thread blank. Actual by-elections have their own dedicated thread. Delete the thread then. It’s actually more constructive if you make suggestions as opposed to demanding things.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2020 16:57:35 GMT
I think this thread has a place but we haven't perhaps paused to think about its remit or whether the mere posting of a constituency name is enough.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 22, 2020 17:27:27 GMT
It would be a good start if it was restricted to possible by-elections for Parliament (as the thread title suggests it is) instead of including all sorts of two-bit regional assemblies
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Post by timmullen1 on Jul 22, 2020 19:10:05 GMT
I think this thread has a place but we haven't perhaps paused to think about its remit or whether the mere posting of a constituency name is enough. And whether the transgression concerned is genuinely likely to lead to a resignation and thus a by-election. Clearly if someone is in recall petition territory, or a Party switcher in the Carswell/Reckless mould, then debate here is justified, but if the offence, alleged or proven, is clearly below the likely resignation threshold it shouldn’t be placed here.
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Post by peterl on Jul 22, 2020 21:29:44 GMT
Well we do need somewhere to alert each other to MPs facing allegations. Does that really require another thread?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2020 22:04:18 GMT
Well a solution which springs straight to mind would be the relevant constituency article. Running here to type "Blackburn South" without any context isn't particularly helpful anyway, and I think most regular posters would know to take a look at the constituency threads rather than here.
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Post by timmullen1 on Jul 22, 2020 22:11:41 GMT
Well we do need somewhere to alert each other to MPs facing allegations. Does that really require another thread? In that case perhaps the better solution would be to rename this thread to something along the lines of “MPs - Legal and Disciplinary Issues” which allows for the alerts you refer to without over egging it into a potential by-election.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2020 22:40:00 GMT
We have a "scandals" thread which could be co-opted into an "MPs in bother" feed if members want that.
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Post by CatholicLeft on Jul 23, 2020 9:18:59 GMT
The fact that "Rumoured and Ramped" is part of the Thread title means that what is being complained about is actually appropriate to the thread. Rumours are often complete bunkum.
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Post by timmullen1 on Jul 23, 2020 9:54:33 GMT
The fact that "Rumoured and Ramped" is part of the Thread title means that what is being complained about is actually appropriate to the thread. Rumours are often complete bunkum. But many of them aren’t rumours; the word “resignation” doesn’t appear anywhere in the last two mentioned - Jonathan Edwards or Rob Roberts - neither of whom’s troubles would indicate either a recall petition or a resignation due to impending incarceration, so there are no rumours of a by-election in either.
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Post by neilm on Jul 23, 2020 10:38:24 GMT
Change the title of the thread to Parliamentary By-Elections. None of this rumoured and ramped nonsense. Please stop posting, and then deleting when you don't like the answers- or whatever reason you have for doing this. It makes threads hard to follow and you appear as a less-than-serious poster. If you don't, I'd recommend that people quote you when responding to ensure that everyone else knows what's going on.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2020 10:46:39 GMT
Change the title of the thread to Parliamentary By-Elections. None of this rumoured and ramped nonsense. Please stop posting, and then deleting when you don't like the answers- or whatever reason you have for doing this. It makes threads hard to follow and you appear as a less-than-serious poster. If you don't, I'd recommend that people quote you when responding to ensure that everyone else knows what's going on. I'll try, not least because you're still quoting me anyway!
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 23, 2020 10:49:47 GMT
The fact that "Rumoured and Ramped" is part of the Thread title means that what is being complained about is actually appropriate to the thread. Rumours are often complete bunkum. Though we should still try to avoid being *totally* frivolous tbf. For instance, this thread has been bumped in the past after a Cabinet/Shadow Cabinet departure - when was the last time that actually resulted in a byelection? OTOH, placing somewhere like Delyn in here this week is reasonable - there is a *chance* it could end up as a vacancy, even if that remains on balance unlikely.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2020 10:52:24 GMT
The fact that "Rumoured and Ramped" is part of the Thread title means that what is being complained about is actually appropriate to the thread. Rumours are often complete bunkum. Though we should still try to avoid being *totally* frivolous tbf. For instance, this thread has been bumped in the past after a Cabinet/Shadow Cabinet departure - when was the last time that actually resulted in a byelection? OTOH, placing somewhere like Delyn in here this week is reasonable - there is a *chance* it could end up as a vacancy, even if that remains on balance unlikely. Might it be the case that some posters talk up by-elections they want to happen as opposed to those which are likely? That's my understanding of the 'ramping' side of things. I'd like there to be a by-election in Carmarthen East because my party could win it with a low vote share but I recognise it's not likely to happen.
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Post by yellowperil on Jul 23, 2020 13:00:49 GMT
The fact that "Rumoured and Ramped" is part of the Thread title means that what is being complained about is actually appropriate to the thread. Rumours are often complete bunkum. But many of them aren’t rumours; the word “resignation” doesn’t appear anywhere in the last two mentioned - Jonathan Edwards or Rob Roberts - neither of whom’s troubles would indicate either a recall petition or a resignation due to impending incarceration, so there are no rumours of a by-election in either. So doesn't that mean they are being ramped? And therefore satisfying the criteria for this thread? I have to say I think we do need this thread exactly as now constituted. Surely it is up to the honourable members here to spot the difference between advanced warning of a byelection, maybe weeks or months before it comes to that, and the idlest of gossip which will never go anywhere. And if we can't essay that difference, what are we doing wasting our time on this forum anyway? But the gossip can still be... interesting
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Post by timmullen1 on Jul 23, 2020 13:19:32 GMT
But many of them aren’t rumours; the word “resignation” doesn’t appear anywhere in the last two mentioned - Jonathan Edwards or Rob Roberts - neither of whom’s troubles would indicate either a recall petition or a resignation due to impending incarceration, so there are no rumours of a by-election in either. So doesn't that mean they are being ramped? And therefore satisfying the criteria for this thread? I have to say I think we do need this thread exactly as now constituted. Surely it is up to the honourable members here to spot the difference between advanced warning of a byelection, maybe weeks or months before it comes to that, and the idlest of gossip which will never go anywhere. And if we can't essay that difference, what are we doing wasting our time on this forum anyway? But the gossip can still be... interesting Whilst making no claim to be familiar with modern slang English, that’s not my understanding of ramped, and I admit to always being lost as to its relevance here: I understood ramped as either increased (ramped up production) or misunderstood (that joke ramped right over your head). It therefore appears that if we’re just discussing a little local difficulty for a MP that’s not got a chance of triggering a by-election, whilst possibly impacting on the next GE, it’s better in the Scandal thread, and leaving this for people like Paisley and Onasanya.
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Post by cj on Jul 23, 2020 20:25:59 GMT
Though we should still try to avoid being *totally* frivolous tbf. For instance, this thread has been bumped in the past after a Cabinet/Shadow Cabinet departure - when was the last time that actually resulted in a byelection? OTOH, placing somewhere like Delyn in here this week is reasonable - there is a *chance* it could end up as a vacancy, even if that remains on balance unlikely. Might it be the case that some posters talk up by-elections they want to happen as opposed to those which are likely? That's my understanding of the 'ramping' side of things. I'd like there to be a by-election in Carmarthen East because my party could win it with a low vote share but I recognise it's not likely to happen. But it will be there for all to see and for all to reserve their judgement on.
Besides if you start going down the road of removing posts that are more down to what folks would like to see as opposed to being the case and the forum would have a LOT less posts, and well discussion...
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Post by greenchristian on Jul 24, 2020 15:24:00 GMT
Change the title of the thread to Parliamentary By-Elections. None of this rumoured and ramped nonsense. Please stop posting, and then deleting when you don't like the answers- or whatever reason you have for doing this. It makes threads hard to follow and you appear as a less-than-serious poster. If you don't, I'd recommend that people quote you when responding to ensure that everyone else knows what's going on. Quoting someone when replying is just good manners as well even if people don't edit or delete their posts after the fact.Firstly, and most importantly, because it helps people know which post you're replying to. Even if the post you're replying to is the last one in the thread when you started replying, there could easily be half a dozen posts between it and your response by the time you've typed out your reply and posted it (or a couple of pages for particularly busy threads and longer responses). Secondly, it gives them a notification that you've responded. Just because somebody's posted in a thread doesn't mean they'll come back to that thread any time soon just because there's a new reply.
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