Chris from Brum
Lib Dem
What I need is a strong drink and a peer group.
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Post by Chris from Brum on Dec 11, 2018 15:31:12 GMT
Wot, no Ein Gwlad?
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clyde1998
SNP
Green (E&W) member; SNP supporter
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Post by clyde1998 on Dec 11, 2018 15:31:20 GMT
National Assembly Regional Voting Intention
Labour: 36% (-1) Conservatives: 24% (-2) Plaid Cymru: 20% (+2) ATWA: 5% Liberal Democrats: 4% (-2) UKIP: 4% (-1) Others: 6% ATWA above the Lib Dems.
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Dec 17, 2018 17:13:37 GMT
Christmas is comming early:
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Dec 18, 2018 21:00:28 GMT
SkyData have presumably decided to start proactively providing people with the option. Interesting to see if others follow
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clyde1998
SNP
Green (E&W) member; SNP supporter
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Post by clyde1998 on Dec 19, 2018 3:15:26 GMT
SkyData have presumably decided to start proactively providing people with the option. Interesting to see if others follow This is interesting and if they continue to poll as well as they are, they may get a serious hearing in the 2021 election.
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Dec 19, 2018 8:36:44 GMT
I’ve said it else where so I’ll say it here too. I’ll bet that either UKIP will merge with them or Gareth Bennett will defect to to them by 2021.
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Dec 19, 2018 12:31:36 GMT
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Dec 19, 2018 12:50:18 GMT
Christmas is comming early: Wales already made its mark on Christmas with Shakey!
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cefin
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Post by cefin on Dec 19, 2018 14:19:39 GMT
I’ve said it else where so I’ll say it here too. I’ll bet that either UKIP will merge with them or Gareth Bennett will defect to to them by 2021. I'd agree with the observation on Bennett, he and the others know that they're almost certainly history at the next elections given that they've made such a shambles of their opportunity to gain a respected established foothold amongst the electorate and bearing in mind the continuing chaos at national level. I don't think that UKIP will amalgamate but more likely that Bennett and one or two others might well jump ship eyeing up their only realistic chance for re-election.
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Post by justin124 on Dec 20, 2018 10:58:25 GMT
Good to see Abolish the Assembly getting some momentum!
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Post by finsobruce on Dec 20, 2018 11:10:22 GMT
Good to see Abolish the Assembly getting some momentum! I can deny that Momentum have anything to do with it...! Deep Cover.
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Post by justin124 on Dec 20, 2018 13:02:20 GMT
Were I still a resident , I would certainly support them.
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Dec 20, 2018 15:54:07 GMT
If anyone could make the Welsh seperatists seem tolerable, it would of course have be the anti-devolution bastards crowd...
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Post by greenchristian on Dec 21, 2018 10:07:49 GMT
Were I still a resident , I would certainly support them. Why would that be?
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Deleted
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 10:21:58 GMT
Were I still a resident , I would certainly support them. Why would that be? I can’t speak for Wales, but for me, administrative devolution via the Scottish Office worked perfectly well. The Scottish Parliament managed to pour petrol on the flames of Nationalism, the very movement it was supposed to kill.
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The Bishop
Labour
Down With Factionalism!
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Post by The Bishop on Dec 21, 2018 11:11:41 GMT
But it didn't "work perfectly well" for most people in Scotland, as the steady rise in nationalist feeling since at least the mid 1980s demonstrated.
It is this sort of Tory blindness that would have killed the union they are supposed to support well before now, had there been no elected body.
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Post by justin124 on Dec 21, 2018 11:26:37 GMT
But it didn't "work perfectly well" for most people in Scotland, as the steady rise in nationalist feeling since at least the mid 1980s demonstrated. It is this sort of Tory blindness that would have killed the union they are supposed to support well before now, had there been no elected body. Prior to Devolution SNP support had peaked in October 1974, and there was little sign from the election results of 1987,1992 and 1997 that support for them was about to surge again.
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The Bishop
Labour
Down With Factionalism!
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Post by The Bishop on Dec 21, 2018 11:30:47 GMT
SNP support hit a historic low point in around 1983/84 (not helped by internal schisms) but increased steadily from that point onwards and in fact the GE results in 1987 and 1992 confirmed this. Did you miss stuff like the 1988 Govan byelection as well?
To cite 1997 is a tad disingenuous given that all parties *except* the Tories were then committed to setting up a Scottish parliament (subject to the electorate's subsequent approval) And of course the Tories suffered a historic wipeout in that election, followed by Holyrood's formation being passed by the voters in a referendum landslide.
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Post by justin124 on Dec 21, 2018 11:33:04 GMT
If anyone could make the Welsh seperatists seem tolerable, it would of course have be the anti-devolution bastards crowd... It is just as legitimate to campaign against Devolution as it was to campaign in its favour prior to 1997. The margin in favour - 0.6% - was tiny , and had the Referendum not coincided with Blair's post 97 election honeymoon, it would probably have been defeated.Moreover, the Nationalists had refused to accept the 80% 'No' vote recorded at the March 1979 Referendum.
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The Bishop
Labour
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Post by The Bishop on Dec 21, 2018 11:34:53 GMT
If anyone could make the Welsh seperatists seem tolerable, it would of course have be the anti-devolution bastards crowd... It is just as legitimate to campaign against Devolution as it was to campaign in its favour prior to 1997. The margin in favour - 0.6% - was tiny , and had the Referendum not coincided with Blair's post 97 election honeymoon, it would probably have been defeated.Moreover, the Nationalists had refused to accept the 80% 'No' vote recorded at the March 1979 Referendum. Against all that, the pro-devolution "swing" from 1979-97 in Wales was actually bigger than in Scotland
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