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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 19, 2019 18:48:31 GMT
Half of their putative 8% score comes from the LibDems, which will surprise some pundits (but less so those who actually understand these things) I dare say that a metropolitan pro-European centre party of a vaguely leftish tinge is also a threat to the born-again Euroschtick of the Greens.
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Post by tonygreaves on Feb 19, 2019 19:47:03 GMT
The Gang of Seven don't look all that "metropolitan" to me. Or all that much anything, really, as yet.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 21:23:56 GMT
The Gang of Seven don't look all that "metropolitan" to me. Or all that much anything, really, as yet. I mean most of them are oxbridge graduates from the new labour era and I gather donations are funneled through Gavin Shuker's ltd company, a reason I understand they didn't want to form a party just yet to avoid registering donations.
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Post by justin124 on Feb 19, 2019 21:43:00 GMT
The Gang of Seven don't look all that "metropolitan" to me. Or all that much anything, really, as yet. I mean most of them are oxbridge graduates from the new labour era and I gather donations are funneled through Gavin Shuker's ltd company, a reason I understand they didn't want to form a party just yet to avoid registering donations. I believe that only two went to Oxbridge - Shuker and Gapes.
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Post by curiousliberal on Feb 19, 2019 21:50:11 GMT
The Gang of Seven don't look all that "metropolitan" to me. Or all that much anything, really, as yet. I mean most of them are oxbridge graduates from the new labour era and I gather donations are funneled through Gavin Shuker's ltd company, a reason I understand they didn't want to form a party just yet to avoid registering donations.I don't think you understand correctly. If that was all there was to it, they'd at least have given their group a more political name. 'The Independent Group' is about as neutrally named as possible. I think they want to leave the door to reentry into the Labour Party open, provided they can change it enough from the outside.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 21:56:45 GMT
I mean most of them are oxbridge graduates from the new labour era and I gather donations are funneled through Gavin Shuker's ltd company, a reason I understand they didn't want to form a party just yet to avoid registering donations.I don't think you understand correctly. If that was all there was to it, they'd at least have given their group a more political name. 'The Independent Group' is about as neutrally named as possible. I think they want to leave the door to reentry into the Labour Party open, provided they can change it enough from the outside. i perfectly well understand and yes that's perfectly possible too
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 22:00:41 GMT
I mean most of them are oxbridge graduates from the new labour era and I gather donations are funneled through Gavin Shuker's ltd company, a reason I understand they didn't want to form a party just yet to avoid registering donations. I believe that only two went to Oxbridge - Shuker and Gapes. I believe Angela Smith did a post grad at Cambridge too. But yes I should have said many of them rather than most
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Feb 19, 2019 22:02:29 GMT
I first met Mike Gapes at a meeting of Cambridge Organisation of Labour Students in 1993, and Angela Smith was a fellow member of COLS at the time.
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Post by curiousliberal on Feb 19, 2019 22:06:20 GMT
I don't think you understand correctly. If that was all there was to it, they'd at least have given their group a more political name. 'The Independent Group' is about as neutrally named as possible. I think they want to leave the door to reentry into the Labour Party open, provided they can change it enough from the outside. i perfectly well understand and yes that's perfectly possible too Ah, I think I misread your original post - I thought you meant donations were the only reason.
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Post by manchesterman on Feb 19, 2019 22:10:52 GMT
I believe that only two went to Oxbridge - Shuker and Gapes. I believe Angela Smith did a post grad at Cambridge too. But yes I should have said many of them rather than most Oxbridge for the many, not the few
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Post by john07 on Feb 20, 2019 3:09:48 GMT
I first met Mike Gapes at a meeting of Cambridge Organisation of Labour Students in 1993, and Angela Smith was a fellow member of COLS at the time. Mike was one of those responsible for establishing COLS in the mid 1970s. The Oxford University Labour Club suffered from the practice whereby 'political' types would join all three Societies: Conservative, Liberal, and Labour. They would often vote for each other regardless of where their sympathies lay. There was some discontent that came to a head when many of Labour Club executive appeared to be too busy on internal club affairs to help out with the local elections in Cambridge where Labour won a majority for the first time (?). A group including Mike Gapes, Andrew Underdown, and I think, Mike Ryder and Saul Estrin set up COLS as a breakaway group with the provision that only Labour Party Members could join. COLS was accepted by NOLS. The Oxford Labour Club carried on with Toby Harris (who I suspect that finsobruce will know) chairing it. Toby was one who joined all three societies. I came across Mike at an NUS Conference in 1974 and joined the organisation he helped to found: Clause 4. Mike was the driving force behind the moves to retake NOLS from Militant, at Lancaster, a couple of years after they won control of it at the Manchester Conference. I knew Mike very well until Clause 4 was wound up having achieved all its objectives. After that we lost touch.
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Post by finsobruce on Feb 20, 2019 7:02:37 GMT
I first met Mike Gapes at a meeting of Cambridge Organisation of Labour Students in 1993, and Angela Smith was a fellow member of COLS at the time. Mike was one of those responsible for establishing COLS in the mid 1970s. The Oxford University Labour Club suffered from the practice whereby 'political' types would join all three Societies: Conservative, Liberal, and Labour. They would often vote for each other regardless of where their sympathies lay. There was some discontent that came to a head when many of Labour Club executive appeared to be too busy on internal club affairs to help out with the local elections in Cambridge where Labour won a majority for the first time (?). A group including Mike Gapes, Andrew Underdown, and I think, Mike Ryder and Saul Estrin set up COLS as a breakaway group with the provision that only Labour Party Members could join. COLS was accepted by NOLS. The Oxford Labour Club carried on with Toby Harris (who I suspect that finsobruce will know) chairing it. Toby was one who joined all three societies. I came across Mike at an NUS Conference in 1974 and joined the organisation he helped to found: Clause 4. Mike was the driving force behind the moves to retake NOLS from Militant, at Lancaster, a couple of years after they won control of it at the Manchester Conference. I knew Mike very well until Clause 4 was wound up having achieved all its objectives. After that we lost touch. Oh yes..... I know Toby. I didn't know that interesting little fact about joining all three societies though.
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Post by matureleft on Feb 20, 2019 8:29:49 GMT
I first met Mike Gapes at a meeting of Cambridge Organisation of Labour Students in 1993, and Angela Smith was a fellow member of COLS at the time. Mike was one of those responsible for establishing COLS in the mid 1970s. The Oxford University Labour Club suffered from the practice whereby 'political' types would join all three Societies: Conservative, Liberal, and Labour. They would often vote for each other regardless of where their sympathies lay. There was some discontent that came to a head when many of Labour Club executive appeared to be too busy on internal club affairs to help out with the local elections in Cambridge where Labour won a majority for the first time (?). A group including Mike Gapes, Andrew Underdown, and I think, Mike Ryder and Saul Estrin set up COLS as a breakaway group with the provision that only Labour Party Members could join. COLS was accepted by NOLS. The Oxford Labour Club carried on with Toby Harris (who I suspect that finsobruce will know) chairing it. Toby was one who joined all three societies. I came across Mike at an NUS Conference in 1974 and joined the organisation he helped to found: Clause 4. Mike was the driving force behind the moves to retake NOLS from Militant, at Lancaster, a couple of years after they won control of it at the Manchester Conference. I knew Mike very well until Clause 4 was wound up having achieved all its objectives. After that we lost touch. Indeed. I arrived in Cambridge in 1973 and exactly that culture existed then - the party clubs were a little like extensions of the Union Society. Sort of social debating groups. I joined COLS in late 1974 or early 1975 (after I joined the party in October '74). Among the leading lights then was Malcolm Chalmers who I later encountered at a Margaret Beckett event rusi.org/people/chalmers-0. I remember Mike as well. I found his departure pretty sad.
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Post by john07 on Feb 20, 2019 11:33:05 GMT
Mike was one of those responsible for establishing COLS in the mid 1970s. The Oxford University Labour Club suffered from the practice whereby 'political' types would join all three Societies: Conservative, Liberal, and Labour. They would often vote for each other regardless of where their sympathies lay. There was some discontent that came to a head when many of Labour Club executive appeared to be too busy on internal club affairs to help out with the local elections in Cambridge where Labour won a majority for the first time (?). A group including Mike Gapes, Andrew Underdown, and I think, Mike Ryder and Saul Estrin set up COLS as a breakaway group with the provision that only Labour Party Members could join. COLS was accepted by NOLS. The Oxford Labour Club carried on with Toby Harris (who I suspect that finsobruce will know) chairing it. Toby was one who joined all three societies. I came across Mike at an NUS Conference in 1974 and joined the organisation he helped to found: Clause 4. Mike was the driving force behind the moves to retake NOLS from Militant, at Lancaster, a couple of years after they won control of it at the Manchester Conference. I knew Mike very well until Clause 4 was wound up having achieved all its objectives. After that we lost touch. Oh yes..... I know Toby. I didn't know that interesting little fact about joining all three societies though. It’s on his Wikipedia entry!
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Post by finsobruce on Feb 20, 2019 21:58:31 GMT
Oh yes..... I know Toby. I didn't know that interesting little fact about joining all three societies though. It’s on his Wikipedia entry! Somehow in the seventeen years since I stopped being a Haringey councillor, I have omitted to read Toby Harris's Wikipedia entry.
All I can say is that I've been busy with other things.
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Post by john07 on Feb 20, 2019 23:25:09 GMT
It’s on his Wikipedia entry! Somehow in the seventeen years since I stopped being a Haringey councillor, I have omitted to read Toby Harris's Wikipedia entry. All I can say is that I've been busy with other things. I only looked it up yesterday. Mike Gapes and Andrew Underdown told me about in 1976.
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Post by tonygreaves on Feb 21, 2019 15:56:09 GMT
We will soon be getting a spate of silly opinion polls asking all kinds of "if this" or "if that" hypothetical questions. Some of us will smile and say "yes love" but the leaderships of various parties and none will regard them as being very important and spend many earnest hours scrutinising the detail.
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Post by justin124 on Mar 16, 2019 1:43:08 GMT
New poll in Daily Mail - Lab 39 Con 35 LD 10 UKIP 5.
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Post by clyde1998 on Mar 16, 2019 2:02:55 GMT
New poll in Daily Mail - Lab 39 Con 35 LD 10 UKIP 5. That's Con down five and Lab up three on their last poll (just after the TIG defections), but back into the normal range for Survation (albeit with the Conservatives having their worst Survation showing this parliamentary term).
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Post by syorkssocialist on Mar 16, 2019 15:23:45 GMT
New Survation poll on hypothetical EU referendum voting intention: Remain: 53% (+1) Leave: 47% (-1)
Field work 15/03/19, sample size 794
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