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Post by Old Fashioned Leftie on Sept 19, 2023 16:35:16 GMT
If the Tories continue in the mid-low 20s in the polls, what are the chances of another leadership challenge? Shall I go for the popcorn? None. Absolute zero. Far too late. Sunak is what they currently need. A steady, sensible, grey influence. He is intelligent, competent, sensible and doing his best in an quite impossible position. He is into massive damage limitation and some ameliorative action up to a GE already lost. What possible case for a change could be made by anyone at all? That may well be true. I wonder though with the present make-up of at least some of the PCP whether that is enough. There does not need to be a case for change, some appear highly irrational in their thinking (113 of them voted for Truss over Sunak). If they discuss this www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2023/sep/19/starmer-macron-paris-labour-brexit-renegotiation-rishi-sunak-uk-politics-latest?filterKeyEvents=false&page=with:block-6509a0748f082b2e5b3a8500#block-6509a0748f082b2e5b3a8500in the bars or on the terrace, it may be enough for some and maybe the requisite number for the Chairman of the 1922 to have to act?
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Post by maxque on Sept 20, 2023 3:13:56 GMT
Ironically the weather around here is miserable today.. Yes, we’ve gone past the point where changing the leader makes any positive difference. The events of a year ago should tell us that loud and clear. Any leader of any party in government for this long would be having a hard time. And would anyone be eager to stand at this stage? Whatever happens, don’t eat too much popcorn. It’s very bad for your health. Oh, I'm sure that some know their career in government is going to end soon, so they could want to get in history books, in Truss fashion.
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Post by batman on Sept 20, 2023 8:25:37 GMT
Bouncy bouncy bouncy and back again next month... this turned out to be a pretty accurate comment over a month ago
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 20, 2023 10:22:44 GMT
Yes, but if you poll quite infrequently there are more likely to be significant jumps between each poll. Less excuse for those who do weekly surveys and the like.
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Sept 20, 2023 11:14:02 GMT
Yes, but if you poll quite infrequently there are more likely to be significant jumps between each poll. Less excuse for those who do weekly surveys and the like. MORI as they used to be called when the worked for The Times were very hot on sticking to agreed fieldwork dates for their monthly polls
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Post by batman on Sept 20, 2023 13:07:39 GMT
The last couple of polls have been absolutely awful for the Conservatives. Once again though I would caution against an assumption that they have suddenly gone even further behind than they were. Such a conclusion can only reasonably be arrived at once the polling average tells us so; two polls in isolation could well just be random sample variation.
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Post by andrewp on Oct 25, 2023 13:08:58 GMT
Westminster voting intention:
LAB: 44% (=) CON: 24% (=) LDM: 13% (+1) GRN: 9% (+1) SNP: 4% (=) RFM: 4% (=)
Via @ipsosuk, 11-18 Oct. Changes w/ 9-12 Sep.
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Post by manchesterman on Nov 3, 2023 14:19:31 GMT
An interesting IPSOS poll. As I long suspected, all the "anti-woke" (whatever that means) culture wars are abhorred by the vast majority of the public. Social media and grifters distorting reality as usual!
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 3, 2023 16:56:00 GMT
An interesting IPSOS poll. As I long suspected, all the "anti-woke" (whatever that means) culture wars are abhorred by the vast majority of the public. Social media and grifters distorting reality as usual! I couldn't find the part in the accompanying article where either side of the 'culture wars' was specified (in particular I can't see where 62%, or 'the vast majority' were specifically answering the question in the affirmative with reference to the 'anti-woke' side . Can you point me to it?
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Post by Jack on Nov 3, 2023 18:47:39 GMT
An interesting IPSOS poll. As I long suspected, all the "anti-woke" (whatever that means) culture wars are abhorred by the vast majority of the public. Social media and grifters distorting reality as usual! I couldn't find the part in the accompanying article where either side of the 'culture wars' was specified (in particular I can't see where 62%, or 'the vast majority' were specifically answering the question in the affirmative with reference to the 'anti-woke' side . Can you point me to it? Yeah, it looks like people disagree with the statement more than agree? Or am I just being thick?
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Post by Daft H'a'porth A'peth A'pith on Nov 3, 2023 21:18:03 GMT
I couldn't find the part in the accompanying article where either side of the 'culture wars' was specified (in particular I can't see where 62%, or 'the vast majority' were specifically answering the question in the affirmative with reference to the 'anti-woke' side . Can you point me to it? Yeah, it looks like people disagree with the statement more than agree? Or am I just being thick?
The twitter writer can't add up
61% agree with the statement, 22% + 39%
23% neither agree or disagree. 10% disagree, 9% + 1% (total 94%)
Was 44% agree, 34% +10% 35% neither agree or disagree
10% disagree, 9% + 1% (total 89%)
The fact the titles and the graphics, don't line up, doesn't help, in reading it. And what about the missing %. Are they don't knows?
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Post by Jack on Nov 4, 2023 13:17:17 GMT
Yeah, it looks like people disagree with the statement more than agree? Or am I just being thick?
The twitter writer can't add up
61% agree with the statement, 22% + 39%
23% neither agree or disagree. 10% disagree, 9% + 1% (total 94%)
Was 44% agree, 34% +10% 35% neither agree or disagree
10% disagree, 9% + 1% (total 89%)
The fact the titles and the graphics, don't line up, doesn't help, in reading it. And what about the missing %. Are they don't knows?
I was reading the 39% figure as "neither" because it was underneath that, and I missed the colour coding!
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Post by andrewp on Nov 17, 2023 14:20:06 GMT
Westminster voting intention:
LAB: 46% (+2) CON: 25% (+1) LDEM: 12% (-1) GRN: 6% (-3) REF: 5% (+1)
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Post by batman on Nov 17, 2023 14:22:33 GMT
Westminster voting intention: LAB: 46% (+2) CON: 25% (+1) LDEM: 12% (-1) GRN: 6% (-3) REF: 5% (+1) with few exceptions, the polls seem to be getting even worse for the Tories.
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Post by woollyliberal on Nov 17, 2023 15:07:45 GMT
Fieldwork dates 1st to 8th Nov, so before the reshuffle.
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Post by batman on Nov 17, 2023 15:28:51 GMT
that's very old really. They should not need to take over a week to collate it. However there is no evidence yet that either the reshuffle or the Labour resignations/sackings has had any effect anyway - several polls have already appeared which were sampled after either or both of these events.
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Post by manchesterman on Nov 29, 2023 12:53:12 GMT
Bit of recovery by SNP?
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Nov 29, 2023 12:55:37 GMT
Down with that sort of thing
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Post by The Bishop on Nov 29, 2023 13:00:26 GMT
This pollster regularly shows them doing 6-10 points better than the rest, for some reason. Anyway, there is a Scottish polls thread you know
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Post by manchesterman on Nov 29, 2023 13:34:43 GMT
Doh!
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