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Post by andrew111 on Sept 30, 2019 18:48:27 GMT
This appears to be spinning out the Poll published in ~19th Sept with fieldwork just before
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 1, 2019 10:31:53 GMT
Those findings do show how much the Tories are relying on anti-Corbyn feeling and a "divided" opposition as crutches in any election, though.
You still get pundits suggesting that Johnson is notably popular with "actual voters", the figures don't really back it up.
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Post by middyman on Oct 1, 2019 10:36:38 GMT
Is there any research as to reasons for dissatisfaction? The Government is in a poor state because it does not have a majority and the opposition is intent on playing silly beggars.
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Post by jamie on Oct 1, 2019 10:38:57 GMT
Those findings do show how much the Tories are relying on anti-Corbyn feeling and a "divided" opposition as crutches in any election, though. You still get pundits suggesting that Johnson is notably popular with "actual voters", the figures don't really back it up.Yeah, less shit does not equal actually liking him for many voters.
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 1, 2019 10:39:57 GMT
If you think that is the sole or even main reason for government unpopularity, I suspect you are only fooling yourself.
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Post by Richard Allen on Oct 1, 2019 10:40:29 GMT
Is there any research as to reasons for dissatisfaction? The cabinet, and indeed most of the party, being full of useless twats might have something to do with it.
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Post by middyman on Oct 1, 2019 10:51:24 GMT
Is there any research as to reasons for dissatisfaction? The cabinet, and indeed most of the party, being full of useless twats might have something to do with it. I had gathered that you were not a fan. Your comments, however, could relate to the politicians of all main parties at the moment, probably resulting from recruitment being from those who have spent a life behind the scenes in the world of politics.
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Post by Richard Allen on Oct 1, 2019 10:54:55 GMT
The cabinet, and indeed most of the party, being full of useless twats might have something to do with it. I had gathered that you were not a fan. Your comments, however, could relate to the politicians of all main parties at the moment, probably resulting from recruitment being from those who have spent a life behind the scenes in the world of politics. Well yes, the dissatisfaction is with all parties. One thing that Brexit has done is that it has led to a lot more people talking openly about politics and the general consensus seems to be "Guy Fawkes had the right idea".
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Post by yellowperil on Oct 1, 2019 12:21:12 GMT
I had gathered that you were not a fan. Your comments, however, could relate to the politicians of all main parties at the moment, probably resulting from recruitment being from those who have spent a life behind the scenes in the world of politics. Well yes, the dissatisfaction is with all parties. One thing that Brexit has done is that it has led to a lot more people talking openly about politics and the general consensus seems to be "Guy Fawkes had the right idea". Guy Fawkes would have in mind assassinating the monarch together with most leading members of the government, at the state opening of parliament. Are you quite sure that's what most people are calling for now?
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Post by jamie on Oct 1, 2019 14:42:34 GMT
Guy Fawkes would have in mind assassinating the monarch together with most leading members of the government, at the state opening of parliament. Are you quite sure that's what most people are calling for now? We’re all neo-Fawkesians then. We want to assassinate the whole of Parliament and return to the good old days of absolute monarchy.
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 1, 2019 14:48:43 GMT
Guy Fawkes would have in mind assassinating the monarch together with most leading members of the government, at the state opening of parliament. Are you quite sure that's what most people are calling for now? We’re all neo-Fawkesians then. We want to assassinate the whole of Parliament and return to the good old days of absolute monarchy. Works for me. Old woman with bags of experience and used to taking decisions in place of a bunch of fractious, snoflake, frit, arseholes who can't decide on the breakfast menu, don't want Remain, don't want the WA, don't want another Referendum, don't want No Deal and won't let the PM do anything at all. Burning is too good for them. Solves the expensive problem over the dodgy building as well.
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Post by matureleft on Oct 1, 2019 15:35:15 GMT
We’re all neo-Fawkesians then. We want to assassinate the whole of Parliament and return to the good old days of absolute monarchy. Works for me. Old woman with bags of experience and used to taking decisions in place of a bunch of fractious, snoflake, frit, arseholes who can't decide on the breakfast menu, don't want Remain, don't want the WA, don't want another Referendum, don't want No Deal and won't let the PM do anything at all. Burning is too good for them. Solves the expensive problem over the dodgy building as well. Such as?
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Post by yellowperil on Oct 1, 2019 17:15:29 GMT
Guy Fawkes would have in mind assassinating the monarch together with most leading members of the government, at the state opening of parliament. Are you quite sure that's what most people are calling for now? We’re all neo-Fawkesians then. We want to assassinate the whole of Parliament and return to the good old days of absolute monarchy. You seem to miss the point that Fawkes' principal target was the monarch, so maybe you aren't a Fawkesian after all. We joke about this (at least I hope it's a joke) but should we really be joking about killing MPs? Or if you don't want to go back to the Cox issue, actually about killing anybody?
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Post by Richard Allen on Oct 2, 2019 10:50:27 GMT
Well yes, the dissatisfaction is with all parties. One thing that Brexit has done is that it has led to a lot more people talking openly about politics and the general consensus seems to be "Guy Fawkes had the right idea". Guy Fawkes would have in mind assassinating the monarch together with most leading members of the government, at the state opening of parliament. Are you quite sure that's what most people are calling for now? As I would have thought is blatantly obvious most people are not seriously advocating blowing up Parliament.
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Post by yellowperil on Oct 2, 2019 12:07:07 GMT
Guy Fawkes would have in mind assassinating the monarch together with most leading members of the government, at the state opening of parliament. Are you quite sure that's what most people are calling for now? As I would have thought is blatantly obvious most people are not seriously advocating blowing up Parliament. I would hope so, but "Guy Fawkes had the right idea" while perhaps based on a misconception of what Fawkes was actually about, is a dangerous phrase, contributing to the undermining of the authority of Parliament, and remember the monarchy has always been part of that concept of Parliament as monarch, peers and commons together. In these febrile times even a remark intended to be taken half-jocularly may be taken quite literally by some loons, i.e. a licence to kill.
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Post by Richard Allen on Oct 2, 2019 23:40:06 GMT
As I would have thought is blatantly obvious most people are not seriously advocating blowing up Parliament. I would hope so, but "Guy Fawkes had the right idea" while perhaps based on a misconception of what Fawkes was actually about, is a dangerous phrase, contributing to the undermining of the authority of Parliament, and remember the monarchy has always been part of that concept of Parliament as monarch, peers and commons together. In these febrile times even a remark intended to be taken half-jocularly may be taken quite literally by some loons, i.e. a licence to kill. Like most on this forum you are part of the "educated political class" who are pitifully out of touch with the vast majority of people in this country. I am not a member of that awful group and neither are my family, friends or acquaintances. Frankly we don't give stuff if you and your ilk wet your pants due to a "dangerous phrase". We know what we mean when we say things "Guy Fawkes had the right idea" and we know that we are not responsible if a handful of loons misinterpret it or do something stupid on the basis of that statement.
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Post by yellowperil on Oct 3, 2019 5:57:41 GMT
I would hope so, but "Guy Fawkes had the right idea" while perhaps based on a misconception of what Fawkes was actually about, is a dangerous phrase, contributing to the undermining of the authority of Parliament, and remember the monarchy has always been part of that concept of Parliament as monarch, peers and commons together. In these febrile times even a remark intended to be taken half-jocularly may be taken quite literally by some loons, i.e. a licence to kill. Like most on this forum you are part of the "educated political class" who are pitifully out of touch with the vast majority of people in this country. I am not a member of that awful group and neither are my family, friends or acquaintances. Frankly we don't give stuff if you and your ilk wet your pants due to a "dangerous phrase". We know what we mean when we say things "Guy Fawkes had the right idea" and we know that we are not responsible if a handful of loons misinterpret it or do something stupid on the basis of that statement. Yes you are responsible.
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 3, 2019 8:54:54 GMT
I doubt even a non-lethal explosion would wake up any of the current government or members of parliament, from either side of the Brexit devide, into doing anything resembling representing their constituents.👽 And what does that actually mean?
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Post by Vibe on Oct 3, 2019 8:59:59 GMT
I doubt even a non-lethal explosion would wake up any of the current government or members of parliament, from either side of the Brexit devide, into doing anything resembling representing their constituents.👽 And what does that actually mean? Self-interest and self-serving comes to mind.
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Post by Vibe on Oct 3, 2019 9:01:46 GMT
Like most on this forum you are part of the "educated political class" who are pitifully out of touch with the vast majority of people in this country. I am not a member of that awful group and neither are my family, friends or acquaintances. Frankly we don't give stuff if you and your ilk wet your pants due to a "dangerous phrase". We know what we mean when we say things "Guy Fawkes had the right idea" and we know that we are not responsible if a handful of loons misinterpret it or do something stupid on the basis of that statement. Yes you are responsible. You have lost the plot!
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