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Post by gwynthegriff on Jun 1, 2019 11:11:44 GMT
Nothing to see here. Move along please.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jun 1, 2019 11:13:35 GMT
That looks a nightmare to organise ...
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 1, 2019 11:17:26 GMT
That looks a nightmare to organise ... But into the cinema with them where there is a showing of..... 'Invasion of the Body Snatchers' And we all know how that ended.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jun 1, 2019 11:19:43 GMT
Perhaps a Brexit gain wouldn't be such a bad thing after all ......
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jun 1, 2019 11:20:25 GMT
That looks a nightmare to organise ... But into the cinema with them where there is a showing of..... 'Invasion of the Body Snatchers' And we all know how that ended. No we don't actually.
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Post by edgbaston on Jun 1, 2019 11:26:05 GMT
FFS Well I'm not going to Peterborough now. To the beggers with that.
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 1, 2019 11:32:56 GMT
But into the cinema with them where there is a showing of..... 'Invasion of the Body Snatchers' And we all know how that ended. No we don't actually. Well, I'm not going to act as spoiler then. Wait for Thursday and it will be the original intended ending with a series of complete....................................................?
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 1, 2019 11:57:32 GMT
FFS Well I'm not going to Peterborough now. To the beggers with that. Oh grow up. Sick to death of the wailing of advocates of a cause I do not support.
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Post by edgbaston on Jun 1, 2019 12:05:49 GMT
FFS Well I'm not going to Peterborough now. To the beggers with that. Oh grow up. Sick to death of the wailing of advocates of a cause I do not support. The cause of anti-racism? Or the cause of the Labour Party? Because they shouldn't be mutually exclusive, Mike.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 1, 2019 12:09:31 GMT
I suppose it won't do Labour any harm with their core vote in this constituency though - probably helps them
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 1, 2019 12:09:40 GMT
Oh grow up. Sick to death of the wailing of advocates of a cause I do not support. The cause of anti-racism? Or the cause of the Labour Party? Because they shouldn't be mutually exclusive, Mike. Your definition of anti racism and mine differ. As you know. And I won't be changing my view. Criticising Israel and Zionist political ideology is no more racist than criticising Saudi Arabia and Islamism.
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Post by matureleft on Jun 1, 2019 12:19:44 GMT
FFS Well I'm not going to Peterborough now. To the beggers with that. Oh grow up. Sick to death of the wailing of advocates of a cause I do not support. On the second one she makes a bland, pointless but friendly remark about the thread, as opposed to the post or a detail within the post. On the first one I'd be rather more critical. Evidence here certainly of being silly (and of poor spelling). It remains amazing to me that anyone who has even the slightest thought of public life ventures into this sort of thing. And I'd repeat my concern about the unbalanced interest among some Labour members in a subject on which British policy has nil or minimal impact.
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 1, 2019 12:24:43 GMT
Oh grow up. Sick to death of the wailing of advocates of a cause I do not support. On the second one she makes a bland, pointless but friendly remark about the thread, as opposed to the post or a detail within the post. On the first one I'd be rather more critical. Evidence here certainly of being silly (and of poor spelling). It remains amazing to me that anyone who has even the slightest thought of public life ventures into this sort of thing. And I'd repeat my concern about the unbalanced interest among some Labour members in a subject on which British policy has nil or minimal impact. I suppose if you want bland automatons who never say anuthing remotely controversial....the problem is that's exactly what centrists do want! No wonder we end up with so many well-programmed politicos who seem to live on another planet. You can say that all foreign policy comes under that category...it's an "unbalanced" interest because you aren't interested in it yourself! Again you could make the same case for any "minority" subject. I recall the same thing being said to me about gay rights when I asked the candidates about their views.
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Post by Sibboleth on Jun 1, 2019 12:35:52 GMT
Is the whole 'vet candidates for by-elections very carefully' thing ignored when said candidate is a Unite official?
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 1, 2019 12:38:53 GMT
Is the whole 'vet candidates for by-elections very carefully' thing ignored when said candidate is a Unite official? Well she was of course the candidate for this seat in 2015, and generally got good reviews.
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Post by matureleft on Jun 1, 2019 12:40:23 GMT
On the second one she makes a bland, pointless but friendly remark about the thread, as opposed to the post or a detail within the post. On the first one I'd be rather more critical. Evidence here certainly of being silly (and of poor spelling). It remains amazing to me that anyone who has even the slightest thought of public life ventures into this sort of thing. And I'd repeat my concern about the unbalanced interest among some Labour members in a subject on which British policy has nil or minimal impact. I suppose if you want bland automatons who never say anuthing remotely controversial....the problem is that's exactly what centrists do want! No wonder we end up with so many well-programmed politicos who seem to live on another planet. You can say that all foreign policy comes under that category...it's an "unbalanced" interest because you aren't interested in it yourself! Again you could make the same case for any "minority" subject. I recall the same thing being said to me about gay rights when I asked the candidates about their views. Well that's a foolish answer!
Asking someone about gay rights issues is entirely apposite and always has been - determining them falls squarely within the powers of the UK Parliament. And there are many foreign policy issues on which the UK has far more influence than it does over Palestine. That issue will be resolved (if ever!) by Israel, the USA as Israel's key ally, the Palestinians themselves and the Arab nations that support them (largely in principle rather than practice at the moment). That doesn't mean we shouldn't have a view, and the party has had one throughout my long membership. However recently taking lines on that issue has become a dividing issue in the party on which the future of individuals seems to be settled. That is unbalanced.
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 1, 2019 12:43:58 GMT
Oh grow up. Sick to death of the wailing of advocates of a cause I do not support. On the second one she makes a bland, pointless but friendly remark about the thread, as opposed to the post or a detail within the post. On the first one I'd be rather more critical. Evidence here certainly of being silly (and of poor spelling). It remains amazing to me that anyone who has even the slightest thought of public life ventures into this sort of thing. And I'd repeat my concern about the unbalanced interest among some Labour members in a subject on which British policy has nil or minimal impact. I have some sympathy for your latter point, with the proviso that it very much applies to both "sides" in this interminable "debate". Also that it has become an obvious proxy for wider factionalism, and I don't see that changing any time soon either.
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 1, 2019 13:04:53 GMT
However recently taking lines on that issue has become a dividing issue in the party on which the future of individuals seems to be settled. That is unbalanced. It's become a dividing issue because supporters of Israel shriek " anti-semitism " at anyone who makes any sort of criticism of their pet cause! And there is more we can and should do in regards to our continuing relationship with Israel, which is far less critical than it should be.
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 1, 2019 13:12:40 GMT
Is the whole 'vet candidates for by-elections very carefully' thing ignored when said candidate is a Unite official? No, but sensible people ignore things which are neither offensive nor important. Fanatical advocates of Israel are not sensible and their cause is better met by the Conservative and LibDem parties. There are not going to be many of them in the Peterborough electorate.
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Post by right on Jun 1, 2019 22:29:02 GMT
I expect something like Lab 40% Con 25% Brx 20% Suspect it will be other way round for 3rd place. Some of the stuff I've been hearing: - Both UKIP and SDP have had profile vans around, which points to spending but not necessarily activists - Some pro Europeans talking up Lib Dems (strikes me as stupid, but perhaps they know something I don't) - Brexit Party got volunteers but canvassing (if any) is only first time round and not expecting to get vote out - concentrating on rallies even though they know rallies can't win by elections - Tories reluctantly recognising they won't win so concentrating on spoiling it for BP, and the mutual aid drought has stopped - Labour know where their vote is still solid and confident they will turn it out. Activists are coming in. - Few Labour posters in white working class estates where they used to be able to get them up in councils, but speculation this is to reduce BP turnout The odds on Labour winning this look very good value
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