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Post by andrew111 on Oct 2, 2019 8:48:50 GMT
The only Labour member on Dorset CC it seems. There were two elected in May - Paul Kimber in Portland and Kate Wheller in Rodwell and Wyke. Kimber is staying but because Wheller has left, there will be no Labour group. Ah yes, i forgot it changed to a UA this year and went straight to 2017.
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Post by jonlawson on Oct 2, 2019 10:30:32 GMT
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 2, 2019 10:34:24 GMT
Wheller is a good, well respected councillor who won her seat in spite of a Green wave in her ward (they won the two other seats). My impression is that South Dorset Labour is heavily polarised between more-left-than-Corbyn idealists and those who actually want to win elections. A key example is the fact that someone who ran against a Labour MP in South Dorset in 2005, when it was the most marginal seat in the country, is now a high up figure in the CLP (Bernard Parkes). Yeah because nothing has changed between 2005 and now That's pretty thin "evidence" tbh.
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Post by Merseymike on Oct 2, 2019 11:40:25 GMT
Wheller is a good, well respected councillor who won her seat in spite of a Green wave in her ward (they won the two other seats). My impression is that South Dorset Labour is heavily polarised between more-left-than-Corbyn idealists and those who actually want to win elections. A key example is the fact that someone who ran against a Labour MP in South Dorset in 2005, when it was the most marginal seat in the country, is now a high up figure in the CLP (Bernard Parkes). Ah. So in due course we should expect a conversion to Greenery (given their current role as the radical wing of the LibDems they may end up gaining some people) She may well be a 'good, well-respected councillor', but there are plenty of members of the Councillor Party who that might apply to - I know nothing about her, but you appear to be suggesting she is on the right of the party, who as you note care only about winning elections, even if that means abandoning anything remotely socialist to do so. Lots of socialists rejoined the party after 2010.
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Post by polaris on Oct 2, 2019 12:21:06 GMT
Wheller is a good, well respected councillor who won her seat in spite of a Green wave in her ward (they won the two other seats). My impression is that South Dorset Labour is heavily polarised between more-left-than-Corbyn idealists and those who actually want to win elections. A key example is the fact that someone who ran against a Labour MP in South Dorset in 2005, when it was the most marginal seat in the country, is now a high up figure in the CLP (Bernard Parkes). Yeah because nothing has changed between 2005 and now That's pretty thin "evidence" tbh. Parkes was the Respect candidate and polled 219 votes on George Galloway's ticket. Evidently it is the Labour Party which has changed (for the worse), not Mr Parkes!
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Post by polaris on Oct 2, 2019 12:26:15 GMT
Wheller is a good, well respected councillor who won her seat in spite of a Green wave in her ward (they won the two other seats). My impression is that South Dorset Labour is heavily polarised between more-left-than-Corbyn idealists and those who actually want to win elections. A key example is the fact that someone who ran against a Labour MP in South Dorset in 2005, when it was the most marginal seat in the country, is now a high up figure in the CLP (Bernard Parkes). There's a Hard Left blog / fake news website called Dorset Eye which is based in that part of the world. It gets shared quite a lot on social media and has repeatedly accused of anti-semitism.
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Post by Merseymike on Oct 2, 2019 12:47:17 GMT
Wheller is a good, well respected councillor who won her seat in spite of a Green wave in her ward (they won the two other seats). My impression is that South Dorset Labour is heavily polarised between more-left-than-Corbyn idealists and those who actually want to win elections. A key example is the fact that someone who ran against a Labour MP in South Dorset in 2005, when it was the most marginal seat in the country, is now a high up figure in the CLP (Bernard Parkes). There's a Hard Left blog / fake news website called Dorset Eye which is based in that part of the world. It gets shared quite a lot on social media and has repeatedly accused of anti-semitism. Oh well, that hardly surprises, does it! Yes, its a good blog - and as they point out, they regularly get trolled by the Israel-can-do-no-wrong crowd for telling the truth about the unacceptable policies of Israel - which were condemned at the Labour party conference, as they certainly should be.
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Post by BucksDucks on Oct 2, 2019 21:07:12 GMT
That’s a brave defection! I've just realised Rozenburg is not quite alone.... I don't know if it's been reported elsewhere on this thread, but Barnet council's list of councillors shows Jess Brayne, elected as Labour in Underhill ward in 2018, as Independent. It appears she left Labour at the end of February, citing Brexit and antisemitism as the reason. So it's 37 Con, 24 Lab, 1 LD, 1 Ind in Barnet.
Jessica Brayne has now joined the Lib Dems.
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Post by BucksDucks on Oct 2, 2019 21:16:26 GMT
Mike Little, councillor for Aspatria in Allerdale has left Putting Cumbria First and joined the Conservatives. I believe he was PCF's only councillor at district or county level.
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Post by mboy on Oct 2, 2019 21:29:39 GMT
I've just realised Rozenburg is not quite alone.... I don't know if it's been reported elsewhere on this thread, but Barnet council's list of councillors shows Jess Brayne, elected as Labour in Underhill ward in 2018, as Independent. It appears she left Labour at the end of February, citing Brexit and antisemitism as the reason. So it's 37 Con, 24 Lab, 1 LD, 1 Ind in Barnet. Jessica Brayne has now joined the Lib Dems.
Well Luciana’s done well - she’s only been around for 5 minutes and has already dented the Labour Party’s presence in the area!
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Post by Merseymike on Oct 2, 2019 21:33:36 GMT
Looking at her twitter feed she's a liberal centrist who strongly backs Israel and doesn't like the left. Hardly surprising she became less comfortable in the Labour party! So why join Labour in the first place? Liberal centrists really ought to be in a centre party.
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Post by andrew111 on Oct 2, 2019 21:44:02 GMT
Looking at her twitter feed she's a liberal centrist who strongly backs Israel and doesn't like the left. Hardly surprising she became less comfortable in the Labour party! So why join Labour in the first place? Liberal centrists really ought to be in a centre party. A purge a day helps you work rest and play?
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Post by andrew111 on Oct 2, 2019 21:46:31 GMT
I've just realised Rozenburg is not quite alone.... I don't know if it's been reported elsewhere on this thread, but Barnet council's list of councillors shows Jess Brayne, elected as Labour in Underhill ward in 2018, as Independent. It appears she left Labour at the end of February, citing Brexit and antisemitism as the reason. So it's 37 Con, 24 Lab, 1 LD, 1 Ind in Barnet.
Jessica Brayne has now joined the Lib Dems.
More Brayne than Brawn. (not like the Incredible Hulk)
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 2, 2019 21:51:06 GMT
Jessica Brayne has now joined the Lib Dems.
Well Luciana’s done well - she’s only been around for 5 minutes and has already dented the Labour Party’s presence in the area! Well not really. This councillor had left Labour in February - same month as Berger herself and long before the latter came down to Finchley. If she can claim any credit she has made a dent (well a bit more than that) in the Independent presence in the area and also a small dent in the Conservative presence (Underhill of course isn't in 'her' constituency, Garden Suburb is and though the Lib Dems have never won it they have been competitive there in the past)
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Post by Merseymike on Oct 2, 2019 22:05:26 GMT
Looking at her twitter feed she's a liberal centrist who strongly backs Israel and doesn't like the left. Hardly surprising she became less comfortable in the Labour party! So why join Labour in the first place? Liberal centrists really ought to be in a centre party. A purge a day helps you work rest and play? You tell me why she is more suited to ourparty than yours, given her views? Isn't it obvious that she's a better fit for yours?
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Post by owainsutton on Oct 2, 2019 22:07:43 GMT
A purge a day helps you work rest and play? You tell me why she is more suited to ourparty than yours, given her views? Isn't it obvious that she's a better fit for yours? "Eff off and join the Lib Dems" is still a major part of the Corbyn Project, then?
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Post by Merseymike on Oct 2, 2019 22:12:08 GMT
You tell me why she is more suited to ourparty than yours, given her views? Isn't it obvious that she's a better fit for yours? "Eff off and join the Lib Dems" is still a major part of the Corbyn Project, then? Why is it impossible to have a reasonable conversation without slogans and silly comments? If you have someone who is clearly very unhappy with their party and whose views are clearly much closer to those of another party, what benefit is it to anyone for the person to stay in their original party? If someone is centrist and liberal, why join a socialist party rather than a centrist liberal party?
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Post by yellowperil on Oct 2, 2019 22:30:51 GMT
You tell me why she is more suited to ourparty than yours, given her views? Isn't it obvious that she's a better fit for yours? "Eff off and join the Lib Dems" is still a major part of the Corbyn Project, then? And up to a point it's working.
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Post by Peter Wilkinson on Oct 2, 2019 22:38:54 GMT
Jessica Brayne has now joined the Lib Dems. Well Luciana’s done well - she’s only been around for 5 minutes and has already dented the Labour Party’s presence in the area! Since Jess Brayne left the Labour Party about 5 minutes after Luciana Berger did (and gave Berger's resignation as one of her reasons for her own resignation), I'm not entirely surprised about the timing of her joining the LibDems.
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Post by andrew111 on Oct 2, 2019 23:12:53 GMT
A purge a day helps you work rest and play? You tell me why she is more suited to ourparty than yours, given her views? Isn't it obvious that she's a better fit for yours? No idea tbh! Random councillors in Weymouth are of mild interest but not enough to make a detailed analysis of all their tweets! I suspect she might say she is a good fit to the Party she thought she was in?
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