Tony Otim
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Post by Tony Otim on Aug 3, 2019 16:04:38 GMT
Nick Clegg 😉
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Post by lbarnes on Aug 3, 2019 16:46:51 GMT
Dominic Cummings.
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Post by timrollpickering on Aug 3, 2019 16:51:56 GMT
Given all the accusations around Facebook and the referendum, do you really think that would be such a surprise? One could write Carole Cadwalladr's inevitable reaction article by numbers.
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neilm
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Post by neilm on Aug 3, 2019 16:54:29 GMT
Which one? The Jazz Cafe is nearer Camden Town tube IIRC. A friend once got lost going from Mornington Crescent to Koko. Work that one out. Nells Jazz & Blues, West Kensington. It was difficult to find because the address is North End Crescent, but eventually I discovered that the entrance door is in North End Road. The club is on the corner between the two, and apparently they moved the exit door round from one to the other. That is a long walk!
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The Bishop
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Down With Factionalism!
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Post by The Bishop on Aug 4, 2019 12:11:34 GMT
Vince Cable - the ultimate vote of confidence in his successor.
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Post by tonygreaves on Aug 4, 2019 16:35:56 GMT
Ann Widdecombe
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Post by johnloony on Aug 4, 2019 23:01:04 GMT
Nells Jazz & Blues, West Kensington. It was difficult to find because the address is North End Crescent, but eventually I discovered that the entrance door is in North End Road. The club is on the corner between the two, and apparently they moved the exit door round from one to the other. That is a long walk! It was only just round the corner, so it wasn't far to walk, although it took a few minutes to work it out. The club is on the corner between North End Road and North End Crescent.
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neilm
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Post by neilm on Aug 5, 2019 0:05:22 GMT
It was only just round the corner, so it wasn't far to walk, although it took a few minutes to work it out. The club is on the corner between North End Road and North End Crescent. I was thinking more of the walk from Mornington Crescent to Nell's. (I've actually got Nell's on my mental 'to visit' list so where the door is is useful).
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 5, 2019 14:38:31 GMT
Hazel Green in Basildon appears still to be UKIP but as a single councillor she can't form a group and sits as an Independent.
The same may be true of Viven Edge in Boston.
Mark Withers of Worthing is still given as UKIP on the council website.
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peterl
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Post by peterl on Aug 5, 2019 16:06:41 GMT
Going by this site unless I have info to the contrary: www.gwydir.demon.co.uk/uklocalgov/makeup.htmI make it 3 in Adur 1 still in Basildon 1 in Boston Which would make 43, making me 1 out from what I said before. The only changes from what is listed on that site that I am aware of are in Derby, Sheffield and Rotherham, though there could be others I have not heard of.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Aug 5, 2019 16:39:36 GMT
That site is excellent but doesn't always keep up to date with defections (it's not easy to do). Two of the councillors elected as UKIP in Adur sit as Independents now, likewise the councillor elected in Boston this May. All the Basildon UKIP group have either gone Conservative or to various Independent groups Edit: I had not seen Davıd Boothroyd's comments previously. Can I ask in what way does Hazel Green 'appear' to still be in UKIP?
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Post by tonygreaves on Aug 5, 2019 16:56:11 GMT
Are we watching the slow death throes of UKIP?
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Post by finsobruce on Aug 5, 2019 16:56:44 GMT
Hazel Green in Basildon appears still to be UKIP but as a single councillor she can't form a group and sits as an Independent. The same may be true of Viven Edge in Boston. Mark Withers of Worthing is still given as UKIP on the council website. Withers of Worthing.
There's a Boy's Own Adventure in there, just fighting to get out.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 5, 2019 17:03:12 GMT
Edit: I had not seen Davıd Boothroyd's comments previously. Can I ask in what way does Hazel Green 'appear' to still be in UKIP? In that she was still in UKIP when last mentioned in the press, and there is no statement or report of her having subsequently left the party. Her appearance as an Independent councillor on the Basildon website does not establish she has left as she could not form a UKIP group.
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Post by lbarnes on Aug 5, 2019 17:11:55 GMT
UKIP 44, Brexit 20 at present. I make it 38 Principle authority Councillors at present Unitary - 6 Bournemouth & Poole 1 Central Bedfordshire 1 Hartlepool 1 NE Lincolnshire 1 Redcar & Cleveland 2 Metropolitan - 6 Bolton 3 Sunderland 3 County and District - 26 Lancashire County 1 (who is also a District Councillor) Adur 1 Burnley 3 Carlisle 1 Fareham 1 Folkeston & Hythe 2 Great Yarmouth 1 Havant 2 Scarborough 1 South Staffordshire 1 Swale 1 Tamworth 2 Tendring 5 Worthing 1 Wyre 4 Have I missed any or have you missed some defections? There are party groups on single councils that are bigger than that.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Aug 5, 2019 17:11:57 GMT
I'm not disputing whether she is or isn't in UKIP as I don't know, but I don't see why she couldn't be listed as a UKIP councillor if that's what she is. In St Albans there is only one Green councillor - he sits with the Independents in order to form a group, but he is still listed as a Green party councillor
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Post by BucksDucks on Aug 5, 2019 17:41:23 GMT
Are we watching the slow death throes of UKIP?
We got to have something to do over the summer.
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Post by lbarnes on Aug 5, 2019 19:37:54 GMT
Are we watching the slow death throes of UKIP? We went into a rapid downward spiral starting straight after the referendum. Nigel walked away from the party in all but name at that point, a series of very bad leaders and some very bad financial decision. In the 2017 general election we were down to less than two percent of the vote and we only had one County councillor elected in the locals that year. In the 2018 locals we only had 3 elected and we were literally weeks away from being wound up as insolvent when Gerard took over. He turned the finances around, got membership back up, got the polling numbers back up and got 31 councillors elected in the 2019 locals, still poor but literally ten times better than the year before. Farage Unfortunately this partial recovery wasn't enough to withstand the combination of a coordinated MSM smear campaign and some great marketing from Nigel Farage. Not saying that to complain, that's the way politics goes, it ain't cricket. In terms of the old Farage UKIP that started it's slow death throws immediately after the Referendum and the birth of the BxP has finally killed it off. If the roughly 500 UKIP Principle authority councillors at its height at the Referendum roughly 97% are no longer Councillors for the Party. Assuming our number of Councillors is indeed 40 that means that over half our councillors have come into office since Batten became leader and fully three quarters were either elected or re elected this year with Gerard having been leader for a year. Gerard had also managed to get the membership back up to around 30,000 although I don't know how much that's fallen lately. These members weren't all the same as those who had been members before, in essence it's a new party. Is the old Farage style UKIP in it's death throws? No it's already dead and buried and replaced by the BxP. Can the new Gerard Batten style UKIP survive? Maybe, maybe not. We'll see The feat of getting more councillors elected in 2019 than the previous two years is that far more vacancies were at stake this year in the electoral cycle. Having more of the current crop of councillors elected under Batten is actually down the fact that UKIP councillors are absolutely useless at being re-elected due to their atrocious records of representing their electors. They tend to be lazy, ineffective and poor attenders. There was no MSM smear campaign against the party and it's not a coincidence that it's the same excuse the Corbynites use. In reality the party got far more coverage from spokespeople than it warranted. The increased membership has mostly come from the 'Free Tommeh' boneheads and their fellow street thugs.
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peterl
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Post by peterl on Aug 6, 2019 11:30:29 GMT
UKIP's slightly better performance this year was also surely in part because, on the one hand many people were dissatisfied with the then fairly recent decision to extend Article 50, but on the other hand the Brexit Party did not field any candidates. Certainly at my local count I saw many ballot papers spoiled with "Brexit Now!" and similar written on them. For some of the dissatisfied, voting UKIP if they had the option might have been their best choice.
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peterl
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Post by peterl on Aug 6, 2019 15:18:42 GMT
West Southbourne to be exact. Could be a fun by election. There was a recount in this ward in May. The result was Labour 716/695, Con 708/675, Lib Dem 695/685, Ind 636, so a four way marginal. Not sure if we would stand this time or not.
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