jamie
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Post by jamie on Aug 13, 2019 22:06:26 GMT
Something along the lines of “Do you agree or disagree with closing down Parliament until we have left the EU in order to ensure a no deal Brexit?”
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middyman
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Post by middyman on Aug 13, 2019 22:26:20 GMT
Something along the lines of “Do you agree or disagree with closing down Parliament until we have left the EU in order to ensure a no deal Brexit?” Or just Brexit. Parliament has rejected the only deal on offer and is trying block no deal. The reality is that it is trying to block Brexit.
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Post by john07 on Aug 13, 2019 22:47:49 GMT
Polling experts on twitter have been taking apart the Telegraph's reporting on this. The question is clearly biased and suggesting an answer; it's an 'agree/disagree' question which always gives misleading answers (see: ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/10054), and the Telegraph has quietly discounted the 'Don't Knows'. Surprisingly the British Polling Council's rules don't extend to preventing poll sponsors asking biased questions, though the more reputable companies would insist on rephrasing them. Not old Comedy Results. Notice that the Telegraph article has edited the question, and reported it as "The Prime Minister", not "Boris". Can’t we just call him: Pfeffel? I think Piffle would be a better match.
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Post by jamie on Aug 13, 2019 23:09:48 GMT
Something along the lines of “Do you agree or disagree with closing down Parliament until we have left the EU in order to ensure a no deal Brexit?” Or just Brexit. Parliament has rejected the only deal on offer and is trying block no deal. The reality is that it is trying to block Brexit. The legal default outcome of proroguing would be no deal so I think it’s important to be mentioned.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2019 21:06:18 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2019 21:06:58 GMT
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Post by tonygreaves on Sept 7, 2019 21:15:06 GMT
This is another daft poll. Though it does suggest what could just happen when Johnson busts.
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Post by manchesterman on Sept 7, 2019 22:05:52 GMT
I dont understand (other than MoE) why the Tories are 2% behind in the first but 3% ahead in the 2nd...the circumstances are basically identical [other than a few days one way or the other but no change to the status of the Uk viz a viz Brexit ]
Edit: unless voters still think in the 2nd poll that we could still leave on 31 Oct , i.e. they havent been paying attention!]
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Post by greenchristian on Sept 7, 2019 23:07:00 GMT
I dont understand (other than MoE) why the Tories are 2% behind in the first but 3% ahead in the 2nd...the circumstances are basically identical [other than a few days one way or the other but no change to the status of the Uk viz a viz Brexit ] Edit: unless voters still think in the 2nd poll that we could still leave on 31 Oct , i.e. they havent been paying attention!] Voters paying attention is the exception, rather than the rule...
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Post by Sibboleth on Sept 7, 2019 23:31:50 GMT
I mean, doesn't it make sense that the polls would be all over the place and even moving in different directions right now?
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Post by andrew111 on Sept 8, 2019 7:31:18 GMT
I mean, doesn't it make sense that the polls would be all over the place and even moving in different directions right now? I think it makes perfect sense. Foreign friends keep asking "what will happen?" I reply "no idea". If they ask me "what is happening?" it takes half an hour to write an email.. Some people are paying attention, others know nothing more about the last week than than a vague realisation that it involves someone called Boris. It is very hard to correct your sample for that
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Post by andrew111 on Sept 8, 2019 7:36:51 GMT
I dont understand (other than MoE) why the Tories are 2% behind in the first but 3% ahead in the 2nd...the circumstances are basically identical [other than a few days one way or the other but no change to the status of the Uk viz a viz Brexit ] Edit: unless voters still think in the 2nd poll that we could still leave on 31 Oct , i.e. they havent been paying attention!] Of course many voters think that. They think Johnson will be dead in a ditch if we don't leave, and they also think that is unlikely. So he must have a "cunning plan"
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Post by andrew111 on Sept 8, 2019 17:22:59 GMT
Seems to be another Comres poll, commissioned by Britain Elects
Edit: could be just the straightforward question from the same poll
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Post by andrew111 on Sept 9, 2019 14:06:47 GMT
Comres tabs linked here
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Post by carlton43 on Sept 9, 2019 14:45:52 GMT
Ah yes! Clearly evidence of the prevailing drift from BP to the LDs. Excellent accurate poll and clearly correct.
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Post by andrew111 on Sept 9, 2019 15:16:57 GMT
Ah yes! Clearly evidence of the prevailing drift from BP to the LDs. Excellent accurate poll and clearly correct. We are just seeing the sensible folk step off the Tory bus as a bunch of hooligans step on board. Not really very hard to understand
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Post by Merseymike on Sept 9, 2019 15:32:11 GMT
Ah yes! Clearly evidence of the prevailing drift from BP to the LDs. Excellent accurate poll and clearly correct. Not as daft as it sounds. Do you really think those recent Sunderland local LD victories were caused by angry Remainers? Theres a fair bit of evidence that the UKIP vote in 2015 consisted partially of some former LibDems.
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Post by jamie on Sept 9, 2019 15:42:04 GMT
Could be, you know, noise.
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Post by andrew111 on Sept 9, 2019 17:48:46 GMT
Ah yes! Clearly evidence of the prevailing drift from BP to the LDs. Excellent accurate poll and clearly correct. Not as daft as it sounds. Do you really think those recent Sunderland local LD victories were caused by angry Remainers? Theres a fair bit of evidence that the UKIP vote in 2015 consisted partially of some former LibDems. It is certainly true that Lib Dem local council votes include many leavers, particularly when defeating neglectful Labour councillors in places like Sunderland. However it is very unlikely that significant numbers of these Leave voters are deserting the Brexit Party for Lib Dem when asked how they would vote in a General Election. The tabs in Comres poll show that 12% of 2017 Tory voters would vote Lib Dem now, along with 16% of 2017 Labour voters. That is a direct swing of about 5% Tory to Lib Dem and 7% Labour to Lib Dem. This is where the increased Lib Dem vote is coming from, not the Brexit Party
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Post by iang on Sept 9, 2019 20:27:37 GMT
Ah yes! Clearly evidence of the prevailing drift from BP to the LDs. Excellent accurate poll and clearly correct. Not as daft as it sounds. Do you really think those recent Sunderland local LD victories were caused by angry Remainers? Theres a fair bit of evidence that the UKIP vote in 2015 consisted partially of some former LibDems.
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