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Post by Merseymike on Jul 22, 2019 10:57:51 GMT
Not true. I stopped engaging with them because some of the questions asked were so outrageously slanted against Labour, partially, but also because they kept bombarding me with endless surveys about 'brands' which I have no interest in whatsoever. I know plenty of others who also stopped for the same two reasons. The point is, though, that the % who want JC to stand down are the % who didn't vote for him in the first place - and thats of a self-selecting group of unverified Labour party members who have chosen to engage with a pollster who we don;t have a very high opinion of, to put it mildly. Making a news headline out of that is a sign of how much the journalism of the Times has declined. I think you just confirmed there what jamie suggested Never done Twitter, never will, but some of the way YouTube questions were phrased were laughable - remember I am a qualified researcher....
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 22, 2019 12:04:04 GMT
Confirmed that Elphicke is suspended again so the Conservative + DUP block now has an overall majority of one. This is a bit theoretical as presumably Elphicke will still vote with them. But it does mean that if Brecon and Radnor doesn't re-elect Chris Davies, the block will lose its notional majority only a week after the new PM takes office.
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Post by Khunanup on Jul 22, 2019 12:18:31 GMT
Hilary Armstrong expelled from Labour: Just as a point of query, does a local Labour Party have the power to expel or does any motion to do so have to be ratified by the national party? Of course only the national party can expel people, isn't that true of your party and most others as well? I see where Dick Newby (and you) went wrong, treating the Times as a remotely credible or reliable source on current Labour affairs (or indeed much else) Seriously, you might as well believe the Sunday Sport Because that's the important point here isn't it? Out of all the Labour posters on here your endless excuses and whataboutery regarding your party eating itself has been the most disappointing, especially in the context of your outspoken opposition to the not quite as bad leadership of Gordon Brown.
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Post by pepperminttea on Jul 22, 2019 13:59:24 GMT
Greening has been very quiet. She is quite plausible & may feel that in her strongly pro-Remain constituency she might have an outside chance of survival. On the contrary I think she'd have a pretty good chance of winning Putney as a Lib Dem against a 'No Deal' Tory party and a Corbynite Labour Party. The Lib Dems will do very well in Central London if an election is held over Brexit later this year. I think it would be likely the Tories would be reduced to their outer London Leave friendly seats though they may well compensate for this by picking up the likes of Ashfield and Stoke North in what would amount to a big a political realignment.
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Post by redvers on Jul 22, 2019 18:25:32 GMT
I'm keeping my eye on Phillip Lee.
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 22, 2019 18:31:55 GMT
Keep hoping for a few more of the Labour right to follow Ummuna into their true home....
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Post by BucksDucks on Jul 22, 2019 18:44:47 GMT
Keep hoping for a few more of the Labour right to follow Ummuna into their true home....
Streatham?
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 22, 2019 18:50:45 GMT
Keep hoping for a few more of the Labour right to follow Ummuna into their true home.... Streatham?
Twickenham.....😉
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Jul 23, 2019 10:14:09 GMT
Mike Smithson is reporting that one of the Con -> Change UK MP's might become a Lib Dem MP today.
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Post by syorkssocialist on Jul 23, 2019 10:17:36 GMT
Mike Smithson is reporting that one of the Con -> Change UK MP's might become a Lib Dem MP today. I also think we might see Angela Smith and Luciana Berger join the LDs. Smith went campaigning for them in Brecon & Radnorshire and Berger has said some rather positive things about Swinson over the last couple of days.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jul 23, 2019 10:31:03 GMT
Mike Smithson is reporting that one of the Con -> Change UK MP's might become a Lib Dem MP today. I also think we might see Angela Smith and Luciana Berger join the LDs. Smith went campaigning for them in Brecon & Radnorshire and Berger has said some rather positive things about Swinson over the last couple of days. Hmm. How would that go down with North Sheffield LibDems?
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Post by edgbaston on Jul 23, 2019 10:32:44 GMT
P&S being repped by a Lib Dem and Hallam being Indy Labour is pretty wild.
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 23, 2019 10:36:48 GMT
Mike Smithson is reporting that one of the Con -> Change UK MP's might become a Lib Dem MP today. I also think we might see Angela Smith and Luciana Berger join the LDs. Smith went campaigning for them in Brecon & Radnorshire and Berger has said some rather positive things about Swinson over the last couple of days. And the same is true in Liverpool. The hatred of the LibDems for the Labour party cannot be under-estimated, and I can't see them trusting her entirely. There is also the issue of PR. I know that its perhaps less prominent an issue than it was - but Berger and her mentor Jane Kennedy are not just pro-FPTP, they are virulently opposed to PR of any description.
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 23, 2019 10:44:44 GMT
Of course only the national party can expel people, isn't that true of your party and most others as well? I see where Dick Newby (and you) went wrong, treating the Times as a remotely credible or reliable source on current Labour affairs (or indeed much else) Seriously, you might as well believe the Sunday Sport Because that's the important point here isn't it? Out of all the Labour posters on here your endless excuses and whataboutery regarding your party eating itself has been the most disappointing, especially in the context of your outspoken opposition to the not quite as bad leadership of Gordon Brown. Even then, I defended Brown against unfair media attacks (and they certainly happened, even if not quite as relentlessly as with his successors as party leader) And when the 2009 coup attempt failed, I accepted he would lead us into the GE and indeed did more work for that one than I had five years earlier. I have many differences and criticisms of the present party leader. Some I have openly stated on here (even if you and those who "liked" your post can't remember them) some in the Labour room. However, if it comes to a choice of Corbyn and Johnson there is absolutely no contest as to who is the worse or potentially more damaging. And I also think that JC is less of a threat than our media, which has displayed its utter awfulness for all to see in the past decade. Are you really happy with it?
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Post by lbarnes on Jul 23, 2019 10:48:49 GMT
I also think we might see Angela Smith and Luciana Berger join the LDs. Smith went campaigning for them in Brecon & Radnorshire and Berger has said some rather positive things about Swinson over the last couple of days. And the same is true in Liverpool. The hatred of the LibDems for the Labour party cannot be under-estimated, and I can't see them trusting her entirely. There is also the issue of PR. I know that its perhaps less prominent an issue than it was - but Berger and her mentor Jane Kennedy are not just pro-FPTP, they are virulently opposed to PR of any description. The hatred of the Lib Dems for Labour in Liverpool is as nothing compared to the visceral hatred of Labour for Labour in the city.
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Post by lackeroftalent on Jul 23, 2019 11:19:42 GMT
But isn't a love of FPTP something that comes from being in one of the main parties because you benefit and those of us in smaller parties dislike it for much the opposite.
Therefore if you defect to the Lib Dems or whatever, PR becomes a completely different matter.
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 23, 2019 11:22:38 GMT
But isn't a love of FPTP something that comes from being in one of the main parties because you benefit and those of us in smaller parties dislike it for much the opposite. Therefore if you defect to the Lib Dems or whatever, PR becomes a completely different matter. It certainly can be, and in the case of Luciana Berger, principle comes very low down in her priorities. If the LibDems want her, they are welcome to her - it will just prove to me what I've always thought about her, ever since I spent an evening phone canvassing for the Ed Miliband leadership campaign with her back in 2010
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Post by pl on Jul 23, 2019 11:45:53 GMT
But isn't a love of FPTP something that comes from being in one of the main parties because you benefit and those of us in smaller parties dislike it for much the opposite. Therefore if you defect to the Lib Dems or whatever, PR becomes a completely different matter. But PR would likely hit the Lib Dems hardest of all. Under (non-AV) PR systems there simply isn't a place in the political system for a "Dustbin of Wasted Votes" party. It would split, and people currently attracted to them would head off to ever more niche parties.
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 23, 2019 11:47:30 GMT
But isn't a love of FPTP something that comes from being in one of the main parties because you benefit and those of us in smaller parties dislike it for much the opposite. Therefore if you defect to the Lib Dems or whatever, PR becomes a completely different matter. But PR would likely hit the Lib Dems hardest of all. Under (non-AV) PR systems there simply isn't a place in the political system for a "Dustbin of Wasted Votes" party. It would split, and people currently attracted to them would head off to ever more niche parties. Thats why the LD's favour the ultimate in pork-barrelling systems which actively reward local bribery and corruption, STV!
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Post by polupolu on Jul 23, 2019 12:01:08 GMT
But isn't a love of FPTP something that comes from being in one of the main parties because you benefit and those of us in smaller parties dislike it for much the opposite. Therefore if you defect to the Lib Dems or whatever, PR becomes a completely different matter. But PR would likely hit the Lib Dems hardest of all. Under (non-AV) PR systems there simply isn't a place in the political system for a "Dustbin of Wasted Votes" party. It would split, and people currently attracted to them would head off to ever more niche parties. I agree entirely. My estimate (fwiw) has long been is that we would do marginally better than the FDP in Germany but nothing like 15% or 20%. But I still think STV is the best electoral system.
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