Khunanup
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Post by Khunanup on Sept 1, 2019 21:55:50 GMT
You are welcome to go and join a gang of proto-fascists if that is what you want. But your assessment of "where LD voters will go" is cloud cuckoo land in my view. so good luck to you. Describing the average BP voter as a proto-fascist is not only absurd but deeply offensive but I regret very you and very much what we have come to expect from a certain sort of gormless thick LD. Stop being such a snoflake...
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middyman
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Post by middyman on Sept 1, 2019 22:00:54 GMT
Describing the average BP voter as a proto-fascist is not only absurd but deeply offensive but I regret very you and very much what we have come to expect from a certain sort of gormless thick LD. Stop being such a snoflake... I have never thought of Carlton43 as being a snowflake. This puts a whole new light on things.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Sept 1, 2019 22:12:24 GMT
Stop being such a snoflake... I have never thought of Carlton43 as being a snowflake. This puts a whole new light on things. People who throw the term "snowflake" around tend, in my experience, to be terribly sensitive to criticism when it's pointed in their direction. (This is a general observation not specific to carlton43 )
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Post by gwynthegriff on Sept 1, 2019 22:14:23 GMT
You are welcome to go and join a gang of proto-fascists if that is what you want. But your assessment of "where LD voters will go" is cloud cuckoo land in my view. so good luck to you. Describing the average BP voter as a proto-fascist is not only absurd but deeply offensive but I regret very you and very much what we have come to expect from a certain sort of gormless thick LD. There are various adjectives that could be applied to Tony Greaves. Thick is not one of them. And I can assure you he is well equipped with gorm.
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 1, 2019 22:14:57 GMT
I have never thought of Carlton43 as being a snowflake. This puts a whole new light on things. People who throw the term "snowflake" around tend, in my experience, to be terribly sensitive to criticism when it's pointed in their direction. (This is a general observation not specific to carlton43 ) any excuse to post this again...
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Sept 1, 2019 22:31:11 GMT
Post by carlton43 on Sept 1, 2019 22:31:11 GMT
Describing the average BP voter as a proto-fascist is not only absurd but deeply offensive but I regret very you and very much what we have come to expect from a certain sort of gormless thick LD. There are various adjectives that could be applied to Tony Greaves. Thick is not one of them. And I can assure you he is well equipped with gorm. In the Blue Corner we do not view him through the pink or yellow glasses and we beg to differ. And i was protesting at his again casual use of fascist as a slur to people voting for a mainstream party. I am not in anyway being a snoflake to so protest.
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Post by manchesterman on Sept 1, 2019 22:45:58 GMT
I have never thought of Carlton43 as being a snowflake. This puts a whole new light on things. People who throw the term "snowflake" around tend, in my experience, to be terribly sensitive to criticism when it's pointed in their direction. (This is a general observation not specific to carlton43 ) This was illustrated most clearly at the "outrage" at the Trump blimp the last time the orange one was over here!
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Crimson King
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Post by Crimson King on Sept 2, 2019 7:18:18 GMT
I suppose the one difference is Torbay is entirely urban/suburban. Scarborough and Whitby is a seat combining three very different areas - urban Scarborough (which Labour would never lose bar a Conservative landslide), Whitby (which is probably about evenly split, though I'd happily defer to someone with more local knowledge), and the rural areas (very Conservative). Just what I was think as I was reading it. (Sat here in Victoria Square opposite Whitby Railway Station with a draft Focus on my desk.)
Yes, Whitby is very split. In general, whoever has the effort and resources to put the effort in gets in. The town used to return Liberals, then replaced by Labour, then became a sea of blue, then one LibDem towering over the other five Conservatives, then Independents who went Conservative while Labour got in and then supplanted them. The bluest seat in Whitby was Lab+Con for the last eight years, as was the reddest seat in town. The middle seat (where I am) was Con+Con until this year when it's gone Con+Lab. The six town seats are now 3Lab+3Con. Knowing the background of town councillors, I know the town council is effectively 1/4+1/4+1/4+1/4 Lab,Con,LibDem,Oth but the council is non-political and most members tend to see it as rather coarse to use the town council as a Party Political soapbox. (One particular member keeps trying to push motions on national issues that seem to be cut'n'pasted from Momentum conference speeches.) I really will have to try and say hello to you on one of my trips to the second best place in the world. I spent most of folk week in the Station Inn so more or less within shouting distance!
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Post by andrew111 on Sept 2, 2019 7:30:49 GMT
Stop being such a snoflake... I have never thought of Carlton43 as being a snowflake. This puts a whole new light on things. He isn't a snowflake, the word is snoflake apparently!
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middyman
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Post by middyman on Sept 2, 2019 7:31:48 GMT
I have never thought of Carlton43 as being a snowflake. This puts a whole new light on things. He isn't a snowflake, the word is snoflake apparently! Try telling my iPad.
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middyman
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Post by middyman on Sept 2, 2019 7:36:52 GMT
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Post by andrew111 on Sept 2, 2019 7:45:19 GMT
There are various adjectives that could be applied to Tony Greaves. Thick is not one of them. And I can assure you he is well equipped with gorm. In the Blue Corner we do not view him through the pink or yellow glasses and we beg to differ. And i was protesting at his again casual use of fascist as a slur to people voting for a mainstream party. I am not in anyway being a snoflake to so protest. "proto-fascist" is surely an expression of potential rather than actuality? I would not use the word for the Brexit Party at the moment, but when you look at some of their friends and fellow travellers like Steve Bannon, I think the concern is there, if not for them, then for some populist successor (especially when leaving the Eu turns out not to reduce immigration at all)
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Chris from Brum
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Sept 2, 2019 7:47:35 GMT
Post by Chris from Brum on Sept 2, 2019 7:47:35 GMT
I used to have a colleague who referred to the correcting fluid Snopake as "Snoflake". I wonder if it comes from that?
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Post by andrew111 on Sept 2, 2019 7:48:06 GMT
Carlton is the main user of "snoflake" that I know. It shows he is woke
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Sept 2, 2019 8:09:20 GMT
Post by finsobruce on Sept 2, 2019 8:09:20 GMT
I used to have a colleague who referred to the correcting fluid Snopake as "Snoflake". I wonder if it comes from that? Interesting thought. In the UK though wasn't Tipp-ex more common? In New Zealand the leading brand was called 'Twink" .
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Chris from Brum
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Post by Chris from Brum on Sept 2, 2019 8:35:13 GMT
I used to have a colleague who referred to the correcting fluid Snopake as "Snoflake". I wonder if it comes from that? Interesting thought. In the UK though wasn't Tipp-ex more common? In New Zealand the leading brand was called 'Twink" . There was Liquid Paper as well - that was the one invented by Bette Nesmith Graham, the mother of Mike Nesmith of the Monkees. I think it meant that he didn't really have to work if he didn't want to. And Wite-Out as well, but Tipp-Ex is definitely the one with the best brand recognition in the UK.
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middyman
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Post by middyman on Sept 2, 2019 8:43:16 GMT
Carlton is the main user of "snoflake" that I know. It shows he is woke Carlton43 “woke”. Another fascinating concept.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Sept 2, 2019 9:17:13 GMT
carlton43 is non-binary. I believe he is perfectly happy with using base 10.
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Post by carlton43 on Sept 2, 2019 9:40:48 GMT
I used to have a colleague who referred to the correcting fluid Snopake as "Snoflake". I wonder if it comes from that? And so did one of my secretaries. And it was a long time residual memory that decided me to meld the name to 'Snoflake' to differentiate it in that usage and to see if I could actually get it into general usage as I have done with others in the past. I have compatriots doing the same elsewhere. We need more pundits in the media using that spelling. I urge fellow members on the right to follow me in this. If nothing else it does make more of an impact and cause irritation and that is much of the game. And, Yes, LDemmers, it is a game. To treat it otherwise would be to lead to madness as some of you already demonstrate. Play up, play up, and play the great game.
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Post by curiousliberal on Sept 2, 2019 10:46:21 GMT
But then they would lose my vote. I don't want my party to go anywhere near "cultural populism" God, remember when the Graun tried to tout "Labour populism"? You could tell they gave up when they launched that "populism is bad" series. In fairness, there is still a difference of opinion on that within the paper (Owen Jones still seems to back it) - we shouldn't mock them for not having a party line. @priceofdawn They went backwards and lost to the left-liberals, but by significantly less than would otherwise be expected because they hoovered up some of the DPP's vote. Whether that was because of their anti-immigration stance or just the incompetence of the DPP and an appealing economic platform remains a matter of debate.
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